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This seem like about average decent LP tone to me

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denialist said:
I don’t know that it’s jaded to be a little skeptical of a car salesman for example is it? In his recent new pedal video he starts off taking pains to talk about how he purchased it, so you can trust his objectivity, etc. Make of it what you will.
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exactly, make of it what you will, which for me at least is an entertaining 10 minute video to kill time while im on my treadmill discussing the same topics we talk about here all day every day :dunno: we all know these guys are paid demo'ers, which they should be when they have hundreds of thousands of followers, im not sure why i care what the demo'er says though as long as he does a proper demo, i let my own ears decide
 
RevDrucifer said:
This stuff is only a concern if your intelligence level requires you to rely on the words of a YouTuber to determine the value of something.
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Buyers look to people’s opinions they regard to inform purchase decisions. I don’t think that’s a bad idea. Sellers know this and manipulate buyers by paying influencers to say shit they might not otherwise say.
RaceU4her said:
i let my own ears decide
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As you know a guitar is not just sound, but feel and build quality. Those things are hard to gauge in a video, and can be misrepresented, as can the sound.
 
Either way Tim Pierce is an annoying gnome with an average LP, but you guys have fun watching him.
 
denialist said:
Buyers look to people’s opinions they regard to inform purchase decisions. I don’t think that’s a bad idea. Sellers know this and manipulate buyers by paying influencers to say shit they might not otherwise say.

As you know a guitar is not just sound, but feel and build quality. Those things are hard to gauge in a video, and can be misrepresented, as can the sound.
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You‘re dropping revelations here, man. Thank god someone finally told us companies sell shit and advertisers pimp it up for them.

I’m curious though, how would YOU prefer someone like Tim discussed a guitar he just got and enjoys? Not make a video at all? Start a 2nd, non-monetized channel? Tape off the headstock and make it vague?
 
RevDrucifer said:
You‘re dropping revelations here, man. Thank god someone finally told us companies sell shit and advertisers pimp it up for them.

I’m curious though, how would YOU prefer someone like Tim discussed a guitar he just got and enjoys? Not make a video at all? Start a 2nd, non-monetized channel? Tape off the headstock and make it vague?
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No need for sarcasm, is there? You didn’t seem aware that genuine and objective review is valuable to most buyers and whether that’s what’s occurring here is the question. My take is that you should basically discard this as a genuine review, although if it inspirers you to find out more about the manufacturer and their guitars, great.

In the section below, David the gnome misleadingly suggests he is a “Customer” and was not “Paid” while at the same time telling you he was in fact compensated for prior work with this very custom build. That kind of bullshit is what makes me think this guy is an asshole and not trust the rest of what he says. He’s toying with your head bro. Maybe he’s genuinely enthused, maybe he owns stock in the company, who knows. He’s good enough player to make anything sound good and with his slick video editing he can probably make it look good too. So to answer your question, I have no clue how he would make a video about a guitar he was “Enthused” about because I have no clue wether he is actually enthused or not.

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Furthermore, he goes out of his way to tout that he has no conflicts of interest. The last part of the video is basically a straight Heritage commercial with his voice over. And for what it’s worth, the formation of Heritage sounds a little dodgy, with ex Gibson employees starting a competing business, making essentially Gibson guitars because they didn’t want to move to Nashville.
 
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denialist said:
Furthermore, he goes out of his way to tout that he has no conflicts of interest. The last part of the video is basically a straight Heritage commercial with his voice over. And for what it’s worth, the formation of Heritage sounds a little dodgy, with ex Gibson employees starting a competing business, making essentially Gibson guitars because they didn’t want to move to Nashville.
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Dodgy? It's 100% pure capitalism at work lol. They are doing what almost every amp, pedal, and guitar manufacturer do literally every day - recreate a rendition of something that was revolutionary 60+ years ago with minor tweaks. Strat variants...hot rodded Marshalls style circuits....tubescreamer variants...literally the same thing.
 
denialist said:
Furthermore, he goes out of his way to tout that he has no conflicts of interest. The last part of the video is basically a straight Heritage commercial with his voice over. And for what it’s worth, the formation of Heritage sounds a little dodgy, with ex Gibson employees starting a competing business, making essentially Gibson guitars because they didn’t want to move to Nashville.
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Why is that dodgy? They have been in buisness since Gibson moved…wasn’t that the 70’s? I doubt anyone that has played one, would question a Heritage guitar’s quality…
 
denialist said:
Furthermore, he goes out of his way to tout that he has no conflicts of interest. The last part of the video is basically a straight Heritage commercial with his voice over. And for what it’s worth, the formation of Heritage sounds a little dodgy, with ex Gibson employees starting a competing business, making essentially Gibson guitars because they didn’t want to move to Nashville.
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Thank God they did, they’re making a better USA Gibson right now for even less money.
 
denialist said:
No need for sarcasm, is there? You didn’t seem aware that genuine and objective review is valuable to most buyers and whether that’s what’s occurring here is the question. My take is that you should basically discard this as a genuine review, although if it inspirers you to find out more about the manufacturer and their guitars, great.

In the section below, David the gnome misleadingly suggests he is a “Customer” and was not “Paid” while at the same time telling you he was in fact compensated for prior work with this very custom build. That kind of bullshit is what makes me think this guy is an asshole and not trust the rest of what he says. He’s toying with your head bro. Maybe he’s genuinely enthused, maybe he owns stock in the company, who knows. He’s good enough player to make anything sound good and with his slick video editing he can probably make it look good too. So to answer your question, I have no clue how he would make a video about a guitar he was “Enthused” about because I have no clue wether he is actually enthused or not.

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He’s not toying with my head because I don’t care if the guitar was purchased or given to him. It’s got zero bearing on my life and that’s definitely not going to have a single difference in the sound I hear coming out of the speakers. Feel and construction aren’t hard to detect via video, they’re impossible without it being in your hands.

This is what I meant by “if your intelligence level requires you to rely on a YouTuber”, if you’ve been playing for longer than 5 years, you’d understand that 99% of what Tim said in his video is subjective that will not be consistent from guitarist to guitarist. Unless they’re talking specs, it’s ALL subjective, whether it’s Pete Thorn or Tim Pierce or whoever. If you’re taking any of the comments made in these videos as fact, that’s on you, not the people making the videos. They know it’s subjective.

Furthermore, he goes out of his way to tout that he has no conflicts of interest. The last part of the video is basically a straight Heritage commercial with his voice over. And for what it’s worth, the formation of Heritage sounds a little dodgy, with ex Gibson employees starting a competing business, making essentially Gibson guitars because they didn’t want to move to Nashville
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What conflict of interest is there? He doesn’t work for Gibson and he doesn’t work for Heritage. What interest is being conflicted? The last part sounds more like a Gibson/Heritage issue that surely the litigious Gibson would have handled if it were a big concern to them.

I’m unsure what makes the world so excited to just shit on everything, but if that’s what gets ya off, have at it. And before ya come in with the “I’m not shitting on everything”, you’ve already admitted you don’t know if he’s truly enthused about the guitar or not, but have already determined that the video is without merit and he’s being untruthful, without offering a single constructive way to do it differently, nor would I believe you have any interest in seeing it done differently, as it would limit the amount of things you have to shit on.
 
ewill52 said:
It's 100% pure capitalism at work lol. They are doing what almost every amp, pedal, and guitar manufacturer do literally every day - recreate a rendition of something that was revolutionary 60+ years ago with minor tweaks.
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It may be capitalism but that doesn't mean you have to respect it. What I was drawing attention and taking issue with was not capitalism, which is rather neutral with respect to common decency, ethics and so on. I don't know the specifics, but at the surface level it appears a bit of a back stab, but as you point out, that's capitalism. As for adding value, revising and doing it better and for less, sure, great — I like that too. If Heritage makes a better Les Paul for less than Gibson, great, more power to them. Maybe that's your priority, maybe name and heritage (little "l") matters. It's personal.
 
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He’s not toying with my head because I don’t care if the guitar was purchased or given to him.
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Oh boy. Please save the anticipated sarcastic response, but it sounds to me like you don't understand what a conflict of interest is. A conflict of interest arises when an individual or organization has multiple interests and when serving one means working against the other. In this case, your favorite ground dwelling dwarf and mine is receiving benefits from the company whose gear he is touting while representing himself as a neutral and objective gear reviewer, by which he also receives benefits in the form of ad revenue and personal promotion.

As mentioned, the gear itself is the (Known) benefit, which he undermined by labeling the segment "Satisfied customer" and by saying he wasn't paid and didn't want them to "Give" him a guitar — he wanted them to build him a guitar ? That's some crafty linguistics right there. Not quite lying, but lying. And he further went out of his way to claim he wasn't being influenced by the admitted relationship, which was contradicted by his receiving the guitar as compensation for prior video work. That's how I understood it anyways. Finally, the end of the video was basically a Heritage commercial.

You like to think you can maintain objectivity in your assessment of the guitar by just listening to it, but that's naive. You're listening to a world class guitar player for one, and second you don't know what kind of processing he's employed to get the tone he is getting. And while you might like to think your psychologically unique, the enthusiasm he displays — which could be genuine or not — will probably subtly bias your opinion about Heritage guitars. I don't know if you're a big fan of David or Heritage or what, but seems like this is personal. Maybe 'cause I pointed out your boss is probably not the altruistic benefactor you seemed to think? I dunno, I don't care. Hate to burst your bubble bro. Watch the vid, like Tim Pierce, like average Heritage LP's or not, it's up to you. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy doing what I do, which among them is constructively pointing out BS and questioning conflicts of interest when I see 'em.
 
not sure how anyone can tell "what a LP sounds like" listening to a you tube video of a single guitar plugged into an amp
 
denialist said:
Oh boy. Please save the anticipated sarcastic response, but it sounds to me like you don't understand what a conflict of interest is. A conflict of interest arises when an individual or organization has multiple interests and when serving one means working against the other. In this case, your favorite ground dwelling dwarf and mine is receiving benefits from the company whose gear he is touting while representing himself as a neutral and objective gear reviewer, by which he also receives benefits in the form of ad revenue and personal promotion.

As mentioned, the gear itself is the (Known) benefit, which he undermined by labeling the segment "Satisfied customer" and by saying he wasn't paid and didn't want them to "Give" him a guitar — he wanted them to build him a guitar ? That's some crafty linguistics right there. Not quite lying, but lying. And he further went out of his way to claim he wasn't being influenced by the admitted relationship, which was contradicted by his receiving the guitar as compensation for prior video work. That's how I understood it anyways. Finally, the end of the video was basically a Heritage commercial.

You like to think you can maintain objectivity in your assessment of the guitar by just listening to it, but that's naive. You're listening to a world class guitar player for one, and second you don't know what kind of processing he's employed to get the tone he is getting. And while you might like to think your psychologically unique, the enthusiasm he displays — which could be genuine or not — will probably subtly bias your opinion about Heritage guitars. I don't know if you're a big fan of David or Heritage or what, but seems like this is personal. Maybe 'cause I pointed out your boss is probably not the altruistic benefactor you seemed to think? I dunno, I don't care. Hate to burst your bubble bro. Watch the vid, like Tim Pierce, like average Heritage LP's or not, it's up to you. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy doing what I do, which among them is constructively pointing out BS and questioning conflicts of interest when I see 'em.
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You’re missing the entire point- I don’t give a fuck.

I don’t care if Heritage paid him $10mil to make the vid and give him a guitar every week. I don’t care if he ran it through a whole other studio worth of gear to make it sound the way it sounds. I don’t make purchasing decisions based off YouTube videos. All these vids are entertainment, it’s a quick avenue to hear someone who can play, play a guitar with a pleasing tone. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe I AM psychologically unique in that I can’t comprehend why in the fuck anyone would care how the hell the guy makes his money? No amount of words any of them say have ever made me buy a piece of gear, I don’t use YouTube vids to make decisions for me, so how they get paid has ZERO bearing on anything I do in my own life and I cannot fathom how other people let it become a bother to them.

I don’t know who David is, not interested in ever buying a Heritage or any guitar over $1500 and absolutely couldn’t give two fucks less about your thoughts on the owner of my company who I’ve worked alongside for 6 years and you read 1-2 posts about him on a forum without knowing anything else about what we do here. Your negative-tinged angle is certainly noted, though.
 
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