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Another thing I love about RT are these "who knows more about EVH" convos. So many differing opinions in here and the op is left scratching his head. 
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reverymike":1r8iiiox said:Shawn Lutz":1r8iiiox said:ah...the quest ...often times it leads you right back where it all started...the Marshall
I have some nice amps in my stable but the basis for me is always been the JCM800 2203 w/ 6550's and an SD 1 in front...it doesnt get more simple than that
Yep, for a great straight up live 'rock' tone, a good Marshall is very hard to beat. There's just something about them that just 'work' live.
The JCM800 is probably the most reliable amp on the planet in my books.
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He never used JCM800s live. non-master 4 input JMPs, but not master volume JCM800s or 2 input JMPs...Rdodson":hewrboxr said:
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marvcus":xn0s311x said:60's and 70's Super Leads. Here's a pic of the rig for the 5150 tour.
There are three older Plexis and 9 4 input non-master JMPs in that picture. All the same control layouts...
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The 4 input JMPs are non-master volume amps, similar to the older Plexis/Super Leads... same control layout... I think some of those 70s 4 holer JMPs said "Super Lead" on the back...Mr. Willy":cxex2uyu said:
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I'm convinced you could get this tone with your EVHIII, they aren't too far off an SLO basically a revised 5150II/SLO with more gain. Crank the preamp gain back to like 2-5 ( you'll need to experiment where the sweet spot of gain is on the EVHIII) and then turn up the master volume some but I have found using a good OD808 pedal just to push the front end just a little as a clean boost helps attain the tone without the need of volume as is pushes gain into the preamp making it respond more like a cranked plexi, I know the no pedals crowd will scream no but it really does work good when set right.
I used to set my 5150 that way and it sounded pretty spongy, remember Ed's designed the 5150's to emulate plexi's cranked. If you add a Boss PS-5 or Eventide to detune -5 to -10 cents with a about a 250-400ms with one repeat in your effects loop you would have 5150 tone on the cheap without slaving W/D/W. The detune with delay makes the tone FWIW. I use the Boss with my Slaved setup and it does the trick but the Eventide pitchfactor is more correct because it can detune in smaller increments than the PS-5 can.
Broken in 25 watt greenbacks or something in that vein helps as well but not necessary
If you really wanted to duplicate it exactly you would have to go W/D/W like SAH5150 says and go detune -5 to -10 cent's on one wet cab/250-400ms delay Dry cabinet no effects and +5 to +10 cents/250/400ms delay on the other wet cab.
Hey SAH5150 what was the exact value of Cent detune pitchshift did he use I forget? I just use the Boss because it works good and is cheap but it isn't totally exact.
If you think the Kent Cavaleri vids on Youtube sound good that's what he uses and it nails the 5150 tone.
I used to set my 5150 that way and it sounded pretty spongy, remember Ed's designed the 5150's to emulate plexi's cranked. If you add a Boss PS-5 or Eventide to detune -5 to -10 cents with a about a 250-400ms with one repeat in your effects loop you would have 5150 tone on the cheap without slaving W/D/W. The detune with delay makes the tone FWIW. I use the Boss with my Slaved setup and it does the trick but the Eventide pitchfactor is more correct because it can detune in smaller increments than the PS-5 can.
Broken in 25 watt greenbacks or something in that vein helps as well but not necessary
If you really wanted to duplicate it exactly you would have to go W/D/W like SAH5150 says and go detune -5 to -10 cent's on one wet cab/250-400ms delay Dry cabinet no effects and +5 to +10 cents/250/400ms delay on the other wet cab.
Hey SAH5150 what was the exact value of Cent detune pitchshift did he use I forget? I just use the Boss because it works good and is cheap but it isn't totally exact.
If you think the Kent Cavaleri vids on Youtube sound good that's what he uses and it nails the 5150 tone.
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-9 cents left/+9 cents right. 250ms delay left/500ms delay right. Mix low with lots of dry cab...harddriver":3cv62gyb said:
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Doesn't that tone have a lot to do with the speakers used? For example, V30's are a bit too aggressive sounding to get that sound. They got a grind to them that is not conducive to the kinda sound that Eddie has... T75's have more of glassy top end and mellow mid range, maybe blended with greenbacks. They'd get you more in that ballpark i would think? but maybe I'm way of base here... what do i know? i'm just going by personal experience.
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sah5150":96xddgof said:
Thanks man. Any idea why he would have that many amps on tour? I'm sure some are backups, but I don't understand why he would lug around that many other than because he can.
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Mr. Willy":38c2q2e5 said:
I think part of it is, some of them, depending on venue, temp etc, might sound better than others and you can take time to have a rotation if you want. But jeez, It's Van Halen…because you can. Some of them may have been modded to just be used as power amps.
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SFW":1lt0pmku said:
I think that "spongyness" is due to EL34 based power amp distortion on those older Marshalls, where you're getting distortion out of preamp on your 5153. Try diming the Green channel and maybe put a little boost on it. I always thought the Green channel made a great "crunch" when you pushed it.
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sahlomonic":yapn0ij6 said:
Didn't Eddie use 6CA7's pretty much exclusively back then? Not that they're much different than EL34's, but I'm pretty sure he preferred those over EL34's.
