this Wizard MCll sounds amazing!!!

[tubortski]

Why did I watch this! Sounds fantastic! I need to play one.

 

[Alex_S]

so this has me curios.. how many wizard owners out there are having problems with the mids? this is something new, Ive never heard this criticism before... I know there are a lot of pro players using them now, I wonder if they are complaining... Rick might want to know about it?

No problems at all. I have the mids eq at around 2 o'clock and they at perfect to my ears. Can't even get the disconnected comment. Of course every pair of ears is different.

 

[Alex_S]

I think the the high and low are so extended that it tricks the ear into not hearing the mids where you want them even if they are there. How many wizard users here actually play out live? I had the best luck when it was really cranked and I pulled the loop volume down but still the mids weren't where I was comfortable. Also if your a singer it felt like there was no frequency hole for the vocals to fit or perhaps my vocal style. But like I said it recorded really well. And I love the Darkness and AC/DC live tone.

Not saying it might not be true to you, but can't second it at all. Also heard some concerts with Wizards already and they sounded better than everything I heard before in that mix. No problem with overlap with the singer as well. Come on, it bands like Thr pretty reckless, thinLizzy, AC/DC etc. No issues there at all

 

[halebox]

Would be interesting to visually measure the sound waves from different amps and compare them

 

[Racerxrated]

I guess I can put my experience this way. They are killer amps, and are as advertised.

But for me a Marshall and a boost or two makes me just as happy. The MTL I had just didn't wow me enough to sell my Marshalls, and with what the Wizard costs I couldn't justify keeping it.

 

[flimz]

I recently acquired a 2016 MTL. I was instantly floored by the huge tone the Wizard puts out. Its no lie to say that "in the room" they simply destroy other amps.
Of course mids are a personal thing. You either bond with it, or you don't. Personally, I LOVE the mids on my MTL. Ive been using a V30 loaded cab so I haven't felt anything lacking in the mids department. Im going to try some creambacks soon. The MTL also has a "shift" option, which changes the tone stack. Seems to shift the mids lower, similar to a Bogner. I also find the eq on the Wizard to be extremely responsive. There is a ton of range on tap. So if youre experiencing monstrous highs and lows, it is easily adjustable.
I also think the model name MTL is misleading. Im not a metal player, and I get Awesome classic rock tones form this amp. I keep the gains lower than 12 oclock, and low on the saturation knob. I get full crystal clear overdrive. Like mentioned above, the string clarity is insane.
Its a spendy amp for sure, and I was nervous about buying it, having never even heard one in person...but I freakin love it! It has simply crushed all amp gas. My next move is a Wizard cab!

 

[NewWorldMan]

I also agree about the ear fatigue...

This right here for me. I've forgotten more amps that I've owned than I probably remember, and there's rarely anything I run across that I haven't at least given a shot at some point in the last 20 years...but there's been no amp I've ever played that's given me ear fatigue after extensive use like the Wizard MC, regardless of how it was dialed in. YMMV.

 

[RedB4Black]

I recently acquired a 2016 MTL. I was instantly floored by the huge tone the Wizard puts out. Its no lie to say that "in the room" they simply destroy other amps.
Of course mids are a personal thing. You either bond with it, or you don't. Personally, I LOVE the mids on my MTL. Ive been using a V30 loaded cab so I haven't felt anything lacking in the mids department. Im going to try some creambacks soon. The MTL also has a "shift" option, which changes the tone stack. Seems to shift the mids lower, similar to a Bogner. I also find the eq on the Wizard to be extremely responsive. There is a ton of range on tap. So if youre experiencing monstrous highs and lows, it is easily adjustable.
I also think the model name MTL is misleading. Im not a metal player, and I get Awesome classic rock tones form this amp. I keep the gains lower than 12 oclock, and low on the saturation knob. I get full crystal clear overdrive. Like mentioned above, the string clarity is insane.
Its a spendy amp for sure, and I was nervous about buying it, having never even heard one in person...but I freakin love it! It has simply crushed all amp gas. My next move is a Wizard cab!

Creambacks work well with the Wizards. I think a mix of the 65s/75s would be great. I did some speaker swaping this weekend. I ended up with Alnico Cream/Creamback H75 in one wizard cab and Scumback J75s/v30s in my other wizard cab. I also pulled the greenbacks/v30s out of my Friedman cab and loaded it with Scumback M75s/H75s. All three of these cabs sound incredible with my Wizards and my BE-100. I tried all Alnico Creams in the cab at first, but it was a little too smooth for my tastes - so I mixed in the Creamback H75s and it was perfect for me. I loaded my Splawn cab with all v30s and I have an all v30 Bogner cab - both sound great with the Wizards, but definitely not my preference.

 

[flimz]

I recently acquired a 2016 MTL. I was instantly floored by the huge tone the Wizard puts out. Its no lie to say that "in the room" they simply destroy other amps.
Of course mids are a personal thing. You either bond with it, or you don't. Personally, I LOVE the mids on my MTL. Ive been using a V30 loaded cab so I haven't felt anything lacking in the mids department. Im going to try some creambacks soon. The MTL also has a "shift" option, which changes the tone stack. Seems to shift the mids lower, similar to a Bogner. I also find the eq on the Wizard to be extremely responsive. There is a ton of range on tap. So if youre experiencing monstrous highs and lows, it is easily adjustable.
I also think the model name MTL is misleading. Im not a metal player, and I get Awesome classic rock tones form this amp. I keep the gains lower than 12 oclock, and low on the saturation knob. I get full crystal clear overdrive. Like mentioned above, the string clarity is insane.
Its a spendy amp for sure, and I was nervous about buying it, having never even heard one in person...but I freakin love it! It has simply crushed all amp gas. My next move is a Wizard cab!

Creambacks work well with the Wizards. I think a mix of the 65s/75s would be great. I did some speaker swaping this weekend. I ended up with Alnico Cream/Creamback H75 in one wizard cab and Scumback J75s/v30s in my other wizard cab. I also pulled the greenbacks/v30s out of my Friedman cab and loaded it with Scumback M75s/H75s. All three of these cabs sound incredible with my Wizards and my BE-100. I tried all Alnico Creams in the cab at first, but it was a little too smooth for my tastes - so I mixed in the Creamback H75s and it was perfect for me. I loaded my Splawn cab with all v30s and I have an all v30 Bogner cab - both sound great with the Wizards, but definitely not my preference.

Thanks, this is helpful! I will be ordering a Wizard cab shortly. I have a pair of M65s for the top. Deciding on either H75s or V30s for the bottom.

 

[lespaul6]

I'm running vintage 30's with mine as well... I love these speakers but many folks hate the midrange. Greenbacks are good too. I know rick designed the modern classic around PAF outputs and low efficiency speakers- so there's that.

 

[RedB4Black]

I'm running vintage 30's with mine as well... I love these speakers but many folks hate the midrange. Greenbacks are good too. I know rick designed the modern classic around PAF outputs and low efficiency speakers- so there's that.

Rick recommended Creamback m65s when I asked him awhile back. He recently posted a picture where he had 2 Alnico Creams/2 Redbacks H150 in a cab and really liked the combo. That and Reza's video of the MTL running through Alnico Creams lead me to buy a quad. I was gonna buy the Redbacks too, but I went with the Creambacks H75s as I knew I liked those.

 

[RedPlated]

They're even better in person. You can't feel the brutal percussion in a YouTube video. The Wizard experience to me is how much air they move. I have a 16' MC ii and just picked up a 16' MTL. Two of the best amps money can buy.

I can only second that. I lovey MC2.

As I also think about adding a MTL, what's your opinion? What's the differences and are they different enough to have both?

MTL is absolutely different enough to justify having both. I'm torn on which is my favorite but I'm leaning towards the MTL. The saturation and depth controls just unlock a whole new myriad of available tones. It can get relatively low gain if you want it to.

My Wizards are both the latest versions and the masters are great. Not as good as my Friedmans. Can't get as whisper quiet, but it's very manageable for home use. Wizards really aren't designed for lower volume, they are meant to be cranked. But I rarely do.

The loops on mine are nearly transparent. The send/ return levels are crucial to get it to sound that way. I turn send all the way up and adjust the return level until I can't hear a volume difference between loop on or off. An older MC ii I had changed tone drastically when the loop was engaged. It had a capacitor in the loop circuit that Rick told me to cut out. I snipped the capacitor leg and the loop became totally transparent. So those who say the loop isn't transparent may have this capacitor in place.

Right now, I have the mids almost maxed on my MTL and it gets that punchy grind that is "Marshall-like." The MTL is just voiced with a sort of scooped tone but cranking the mids totally solves any lack of perceived midrange. I use it with two 4x12's side-by-side. One is all an all-v30 cab and the other v30/ GB mix. I'm putting together a wet/dry/wet setup with three 4x12's. Can't imagine how huge it's going to sound.

 

[RedB4Black]

They're even better in person. You can't feel the brutal percussion in a YouTube video. The Wizard experience to me is how much air they move. I have a 16' MC ii and just picked up a 16' MTL. Two of the best amps money can buy.

I can only second that. I lovey MC2.

As I also think about adding a MTL, what's your opinion? What's the differences and are they different enough to have both?

MTL is absolutely different enough to justify having both. I'm torn on which is my favorite but I'm leaning towards the MTL. The saturation and depth controls just unlock a whole new myriad of available tones. It can get relatively low gain if you want it to.

My Wizards are both the latest versions and the masters are great. Not as good as my Friedmans. Can't get as whisper quiet, but it's very manageable for home use. Wizards really aren't designed for lower volume, they are meant to be cranked. But I rarely do.

The loops on mine are nearly transparent. The send/ return levels are crucial to get it to sound that way. I turn send all the way up and adjust the return level until I can't hear a volume difference between loop on or off. An older MC ii I had changed tone drastically when the loop was engaged. It had a capacitor in the loop circuit that Rick told me to cut out. I snipped the capacitor leg and the loop became totally transparent. So those who say the loop isn't transparent may have this capacitor in place.

Right now, I have the mids almost maxed on my MTL and it gets that punchy grind that is "Marshall-like." The MTL is just voiced with a sort of scooped tone but cranking the mids totally solves any lack of perceived midrange. I use it with two 4x12's side-by-side. One is all an all-v30 cab and the other v30/ GB mix. I'm putting together a wet/dry/wet setup with three 4x12's. Can't imagine how huge it's going to sound.

I agree about which one I think is better...the MTL or MCII. I bought the MCII after having owned the MTL. I really only bought it because it was a good deal and I figured I'd get it out of my system and be satisfied with just the MTL. Turned out I like the MCII just as much and they are different enough to keep both.

The loops are very good, but I still hear a little tone suck - but I hear it on every amp - maybe it's a mental thing with me. lol Anyway, w/d/w is the way to go. I have 6 412s and I once ran all 6 cabs off two separate w/d/w setups with my MTL and MCII - cranked. It was insane. I'll be deaf someday, because I love cranking these amps up.

 

[lespaul6]

I play with my master at around 9:00 ish? even when playing out. I'll just point the cab to the side or backwards.. are you guys doing the same volume wise? Its loud, but no worse than my marshall slash when cranked to slashs live volume level.

 

[bbaug14]

Try a 12AT7 in the loop. It's far more transparent that way.

 

[fuzzyguitars]

i use all v30 with my 2017 mtl.

i run the mids also around 3 o clock.

crushing amp.

loop is transparent when the amp is turned up loud.

 

[sg guy]

so this has me curios.. how many wizard owners out there are having problems with the mids? this is something new, Ive never heard this criticism before... I know there are a lot of pro players using them now, I wonder if they are complaining... Rick might want to know about it?

-me neither,
-Here we go again, Another INTERNET FORUM URBAN LEGEND, nobody ever knows where it started, Like Randy Rhodes has shit tone!, VHT AMP's are dry!!, SPLAWN's have WEIRD MIDS!!! & now, WIZARDS DONT HAVE MARSHALL MIDS!!!!!!

 

[RedB4Black]

so this has me curios.. how many wizard owners out there are having problems with the mids? this is something new, Ive never heard this criticism before... I know there are a lot of pro players using them now, I wonder if they are complaining... Rick might want to know about it?

-me neither,
-Here we go again, Another INTERNET FORUM URBAN LEGEND, nobody ever knows where it started, Like Randy Rhodes has shit tone!, VHT AMP's are dry!!, SPLAWN's have WEIRD MIDS!!! & now, WIZARDS DONT HAVE MARSHALL MIDS!!!!!!

Good thing we have the internet to teach us about tone, rather than actually owning/playing the amps. I'm beginning to feel like I have a weird mids/dry tone complex...since those three are in my top five amp builders.

 

[LP Freak]

Well I owned 2 MCII's so I'd hardly call anything I said urban legend. Sad thing is guys spend $4K on an amp and automatically expect it to sound good.

 

[Racerxrated]

The MTL DOES NOT have Marshall mids, IMO. They aren't bad or nonexistent, and it is a killer amp but the mids don't have the same thing going on as a Marshall circuit.

Killer amp and highly recommended for sure...no complaints.