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The Peters Body Hammer can be dialed in crazy tight.
And the Framus Cobra boosted is also wildly tight.
And the Framus Cobra boosted is also wildly tight.
Totally agree (judging from my Mark V:25). The 2C+ mode is way too honky, even with an extreme V setting on graphic EQ. Good for Santana stuff, not Black Album.midnightlaundry":26t48yey said:[
I prefer the IV mode because it's bigger and more filled in. The 2C mode is tighter even in Triode, but it's narrower and honky all around compared to the IV. I don't get the hype of the 2C...
MetalHeadMike":af1i7f83 said:IMHO, stiff or unforgiving (an amp that is so articulate and immediate in its response that every nuance of your pick attack and playing is revealed) and tight are very much linked whether talking feel/response or how things sound.
My D60 is tight/stiff sounding and feeling in response in that it accentuates all detail of your right and left hand. It very immediately reproduces everything you put into it and as a direct result sounds tight, feels tight, and feels somewhat stiff.
Same with all the ENGLS I've owned/still own. I agree the ENGLS can be somewhat compressed/processed, but I feel like they are definitely pretty darn stiff/unforgiving in their feel or response. My FB100 was pretty unforgiving despite the compressed nature, and the Savage 120 I have is definitely more compressed/processed sounding/feeling than the Fryette, but IMHO its pretty damn stiff and unforgiving under my fingers anyway; it doesn't hide a thing either at least not the way I have the knobs set. Tubes surely factor in to the feel too though right....
In comparison, my KSR ARES on the other hand sounds and feels tight but has more give, sag, delay in response (Whatever you want to call it) and therefore has a slightly more relaxed response or is a tad bit easier to play if I'm sloppy if that makes any sense. Still very tight and articulate, just not as stiff/unforgiving
Jack Luminous":2cxmi6va said:SLO is very tight but not stiff at all. Old 2203 is not as tight but can feel kinda stiff (also related to kerrrrranng).
Jack Luminous":1qzgnzir said:SLO is very tight but not stiff at all. Old 2203 is not as tight but can feel kinda stiff (also related to kerrrrranng).
Speeddemon":1550t2e0 said:Totally agree (judging from my Mark V:25). The 2C+ mode is way too honky, even with an extreme V setting on graphic EQ. Good for Santana stuff, not Black Album.midnightlaundry":1550t2e0 said:[
I prefer the IV mode because it's bigger and more filled in. The 2C mode is tighter even in Triode, but it's narrower and honky all around compared to the IV. I don't get the hype of the 2C...
I use the Xtreme mode mostly, as it's bigger sounding than the Mark IV; but it is a bit less tight.
@bgh; if you find the Mark IV unforgiving, try a Fryette for a change. To me, the Mark IV Lead (prior to my Mark V:25, I owned a IV Rev A from '91) is the definition of liquid high gain, and yes, pretty damn tight, but unforgiving? Nah.... A Fryette, now THAT'S unforgiving.
Totally agree. SLO's are anything but tight. Thick, lush, syrupy, liquid, yes. Tight, no.Wizard of Ozz":nqvonmfe said:Jack Luminous":nqvonmfe said:SLO is very tight but not stiff at all. Old 2203 is not as tight but can feel kinda stiff (also related to kerrrrranng).
My SLO is one of the least "tight" sounding/playing/feeling amps I own.![]()
It's very big, warm, fluid sounding... but "tight" is about the last descriptor I'd use for it. Side by side with my Diezel VH4/Herbert or even Mesa Mark III/IV/JP2C... it's no contest. It just doesn't have enough filtering in the power amp power supply circuit to keep the bottom end tight/articulate/together enough at high volumes... but this is also why people love the SLO as you open up the volume, you get that wonderful flowing, liquid, smooth overdrive with just enough power tube break-up and a hint of Marshally-top end bitey goodness. Like a warm sweet syrupy tone. Not modern, tight, or industrial in the least imhe.
My experience with the Sig:X as well. Especially 'Live' Mode on the Rhythm channel, with More Gain on. Quite Marshally, but more open sounding and maybe...improved?midnightlaundry":30ms8lw3 said:I have the Sig and D120 Fryettes. They are bred from Marshall, but they are tight, big and articulate while also being thick in upper harmonics, something modern Marshall's always lacked for me.. They are more open and dare I say, natural sounding compared to Marks, and clean up better when rolling back. Latter Marks don't clean up, they fog up..
Boom - these came to mind immediately when I read the thread title...steve_k":28ugzxy4 said:Stiffest and most unforgiving?
Carol Ann Triptik
VHT Pitbull
Both stiffer than a priest's pecker.
Just gonna mention, when you talk about the 2C in the MkV or the JP2C, and don't get it...keep in mind you aren't playing the real deal. The 2C+ in the Mk V? Doesn't even resemble the tone and feel I get from the C+ I had or the C++ I currently own. Not even close. Like a different amp. The JP is closer but doesn't have the feel, and 3D effect so to speak is also missing.midnightlaundry":2vtrmssw said:Speeddemon":2vtrmssw said:Totally agree (judging from my Mark V:25). The 2C+ mode is way too honky, even with an extreme V setting on graphic EQ. Good for Santana stuff, not Black Album.midnightlaundry":2vtrmssw said:[
I prefer the IV mode because it's bigger and more filled in. The 2C mode is tighter even in Triode, but it's narrower and honky all around compared to the IV. I don't get the hype of the 2C...
I use the Xtreme mode mostly, as it's bigger sounding than the Mark IV; but it is a bit less tight.
@bgh; if you find the Mark IV unforgiving, try a Fryette for a change. To me, the Mark IV Lead (prior to my Mark V:25, I owned a IV Rev A from '91) is the definition of liquid high gain, and yes, pretty damn tight, but unforgiving? Nah.... A Fryette, now THAT'S unforgiving.
Yeah man, I just spent some time with the 2C mode. I understand why people like it. The upper midrange rages, and seems to resonate in harmonics. It's easy to get palm chirps and sound real, well decidedly 80's.. Brad Gilles on the Speak Of The Devil gets that tone, even if it wasn't a C+, but it's that thing..
However, I don't think it balances with other sounds. It doesn't sound right when you go from a floating on a cloud Mark V clean tone to a hot poker spike of nasally mids.. The Mark IV mode has more frequencies that fill in the gaps, and sounds more natural while still being very precise IMO.
I have the Sig and D120 Fryettes. They are bred from Marshall, but they are tight, big and articulate while also being thick in upper harmonics, something modern Marshall's always lacked for me.. They are more open and dare I say, natural sounding compared to Marks, and clean up better when rolling back. Latter Marks don't clean up, they fog up..
Racerxrated":3hsqf0kh said:Just gonna mention, when you talk about the 2C in the MkV or the JP2C, and don't get it...keep in mind you aren't playing the real deal. The 2C+ in the Mk V? Doesn't even resemble the tone and feel I get from the C+ I had or the C++ I currently own. Not even close. Like a different amp. The JP is closer but doesn't have the feel, and 3D effect so to speak is also missing..midnightlaundry":3hsqf0kh said:Speeddemon":3hsqf0kh said:Totally agree (judging from my Mark V:25). The 2C+ mode is way too honky, even with an extreme V setting on graphic EQ. Good for Santana stuff, not Black Album.midnightlaundry":3hsqf0kh said:[
I prefer the IV mode because it's bigger and more filled in. The 2C mode is tighter even in Triode, but it's narrower and honky all around compared to the IV. I don't get the hype of the 2C...
I use the Xtreme mode mostly, as it's bigger sounding than the Mark IV; but it is a bit less tight.
@bgh; if you find the Mark IV unforgiving, try a Fryette for a change. To me, the Mark IV Lead (prior to my Mark V:25, I owned a IV Rev A from '91) is the definition of liquid high gain, and yes, pretty damn tight, but unforgiving? Nah.... A Fryette, now THAT'S unforgiving.
Yeah man, I just spent some time with the 2C mode. I understand why people like it. The upper midrange rages, and seems to resonate in harmonics. It's easy to get palm chirps and sound real, well decidedly 80's.. Brad Gilles on the Speak Of The Devil gets that tone, even if it wasn't a C+, but it's that thing..
However, I don't think it balances with other sounds. It doesn't sound right when you go from a floating on a cloud Mark V clean tone to a hot poker spike of nasally mids.. The Mark IV mode has more frequencies that fill in the gaps, and sounds more natural while still being very precise IMO.
I have the Sig and D120 Fryettes. They are bred from Marshall, but they are tight, big and articulate while also being thick in upper harmonics, something modern Marshall's always lacked for me.. They are more open and dare I say, natural sounding compared to Marks, and clean up better when rolling back. Latter Marks don't clean up, they fog up..