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Bagel and Creamcheese said:
C'mon dude. The whole post was a send up of the far right. How can you NOT possibly see that? You'd have to be intentionally ignoring the over the top rhetoric not to see that.
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Donnie, you Sick Nazi Stalker.
Let’s get back to the real Topic??

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Funk'n Metal said:
Absolutely garbage words from an absolute garbage psychopath masquerading around on a music forum like an unaccountable rotten child. Certainly no man. I'm genuinely shocked that you still are able to log onto this site given your... well, everything. You seem to not have much going for you living as a slimy, racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, tiny limp dicked, valor thieving worm stalker in fantasy land. I would call you an incel, but that would truly be an insult to incels. You are much lower than that.

You have done nothing to contribute positively here and your sole purpose has been to stalk, harass, and antagonize members who were here long before your sorry POS self showed up to spread your lowest of vile nature. You think you're funny or even slightly clever, but you're truly nothing more than a bottom feeding worm living in the secretions of a troll.

PSA: Freedom of speech does not allow you to stalk and harass people. Which given your entire existence here; it's all you seem to do and have done. I don't care what side of whatever twisted and ridiculous partisan hack fence you're on in this world, but you've likely long overstayed your welcome here on all sides, Troll feces worm. Lowest of all the worms. Feasting on the droppings of the lowliest. You don't even play the guitar.
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You're making a whole lot of sense here.

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Aynirar27 said:
it's a tough hypothesis to replicate as the time frame would have to be millions and millions of years.
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The chance of a single, "simple" cell's being formed randomly sans a designer, the last calculation I recall, was...

1 in 10 to the 57600th power.

Millions of years couldn't cut it, nor billions, nor the life of the universe a kazillion times over. 10 to the 57600th power is a biiig number.

Aynirar27 said:
... the main principle of abiogenesis was that it was a very long series of very small events that eventually formed life out of "nothing". It wasn't as simple as no life, then life. There was a whole lot of "almost life" in the interim. I don't think the the "spontaneous life" theories hold as much water as they once did.
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Agreed. They hold no water AFAIC.
 
Monkey Man said:
I know mate.

The Miller-Urey experiment produced, IIRC, approximately 2% aminos and 98% poison.

The aminos weren't alive of course, so there's that.
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Figured you were aware of the theory, just putting it out there for anyone who wasn't.

Yes, amino acids aren't considered life only complex chemical compounds, the same as the "poisons." So they could, but that doesn't mean they would react with each other. The main point behind the experiment is not that life was created. It was a proof of concept to provide a possibility of how complex organic compounds such as amino acids could form. In the years since the original experiment it's been shown that these complex organic compounds can form in all types of environments, even on comets and asteroids in space. That doesn't mean life will pop up there. But building blocks are present with a possibility to form more complex compounds and maybe life if the right conditions and are met and forces to act upon them. .

A quirky analogy would be like a bunch of trees spontaneously generating a house. We know that's not going to happen without some other outside mechanism acting on it. Built the raw materials for a house are there.

I'd discuss this further with you, but the thread is already starting to spiral (no surprise there). I really don't feel like breaking out the hip waders to trudge through the piles of shit to get to a civil conversation. So I'll leave with a few final thoughts.
Don't take anything as trying to say you're wrong or being persuasive to a different POV (I know you won't but throwing it out there anyway).
I've always thought there was more than enough room between Creationism vs Evolution for the idea that God put things in motion for creation as evolution.
 
Funk'n Metal said:
Absolutely garbage words from an absolute garbage psychopath masquerading around on a music forum like an unaccountable rotten child. Certainly no man. I'm genuinely shocked that you still are able to log onto this site given your... well, everything. You seem to not have much going for you living as a slimy, racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, tiny limp dicked, valor thieving worm stalker in fantasy land. I would call you an incel, but that would truly be an insult to incels. You are much lower than that.

You have done nothing to contribute positively here and your sole purpose has been to stalk, harass, and antagonize members who were here long before your sorry POS self showed up to spread your lowest of vile nature. You think you're funny or even slightly clever, but you're truly nothing more than a bottom feeding worm living in the secretions of a troll.

PSA: Freedom of speech does not allow you to stalk and harass people. Which given your entire existence here; it's all you seem to do and have done. I don't care what side of whatever twisted and ridiculous partisan hack fence you're on in this world, but you've likely long overstayed your welcome here on all sides, Troll feces worm. Lowest of all the worms. Feasting on the droppings of the lowliest. You don't even play the guitar.

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Are you sure we're not related?
 
MadAsAHatter said:
Figured you were aware of the theory, just putting it out there for anyone who wasn't.

Yes, amino acids aren't considered life only complex chemical compounds, the same as the "poisons." So they could, but that doesn't mean they would react with each other. The main point behind the experiment is not that life was created. It was a proof of concept to provide a possibility of how complex organic compounds such as amino acids could form. In the years since the original experiment it's been shown that these complex organic compounds can form in all types of environments, even on comets and asteroids in space. That doesn't mean life will pop up there. But building blocks are present with a possibility to form more complex compounds and maybe life if the right conditions and are met and forces to act upon them. .

A quirky analogy would be like a bunch of trees spontaneously generating a house. We know that's not going to happen without some other outside mechanism acting on it. Built the raw materials for a house are there.

I'd discuss this further with you, but the thread is already starting to spiral (no surprise there). I really don't feel like breaking out the hip waders to trudge through the piles of shit to get to a civil conversation. So I'll leave with a few final thoughts.
Don't take anything as trying to say you're wrong or being persuasive to a different POV (I know you won't but throwing it out there anyway).
I've always thought there was more than enough room between Creationism vs Evolution for the idea that God put things in motion for creation as evolution.
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All-good brother!

IMHO that "outside mechanism" simply must be intelligence.

As I suggested, 1 in 10 to the 57600th power is a chance so slim no human mind can realistically conceive of it. The reason the number's so big is due to the necessary complexity that must be in-place in order for the most basic of cells to function.

This said, as if the stringent and impossibly-unlikely conditions aren't practically-impossible to meet, there's that elusive factor, the icing-on-the-cake ingredient - life.

Good chatting bro'. :cheers2:
 
Monkey Man said:
The chance of a single, "simple" cell's being formed randomly sans a designer, the last calculation I recall, was...

1 in 10 to the 57600th power.

Millions of years couldn't cut it, nor billions, nor the life of the universe a kazillion times over. 10 to the 57600th power is a biiig number.


Agreed. They hold no water AFAIC.
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I think the ironic part of thinking about how life was formed, is that no matter what your school of thought, it is ultimately faith driven.

Not just in the sense of divine intervention, but the underlying idea that we are constantly discovering that the universe is bigger and possibly older than we once thought, and that it doesn’t make sense that our planet is the only one with life.
It is tough to prove scientifically how life started so no matter what you believe, it really is just a belief.
One can argue one has more “evidence” than the other, but neither are provable as far as I’m concerned. It is down to whatever you believe makes the most logical sense
 
Aynirar27 said:
I think the ironic part of thinking about how life was formed, is that no matter what your school of thought, it is ultimately faith driven.

Not just in the sense of divine intervention, but the underlying idea that we are constantly discovering that the universe is bigger and possibly older than we once thought, and that it doesn’t make sense that our planet is the only one with life.
It is tough to prove scientifically how life started so no matter what you believe, it really is just a belief.
One can argue one has more “evidence” than the other, but neither are provable as far as I’m concerned. It is down to whatever you believe makes the most logical sense
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And us not knowing in the "we can prove it sense" keeps us striving to learn more.
 
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