Two amps at once ... one cab?

[racerevlon]

I've done this before and the best results I got were when I ran two different speakers in each side. To clarify, I put GT12-75's in the top, Greenbacks in the bottom, then split the cab stereo vertically, so each side gets 1 x GT12-75 and 1 x Greenback. Depending on what two rigs you're running in, you can get some AWESOME tones.

Cheers,

 

[again with this]

So, I've got this Marshall 4x12 cab that will let me run stereo by splitting the 4x12 between two amps. I'd have to set the amps to 4ohms...no prob. I have an XTC 101b and a Lonestar Classic. I like the refined driving tone of the XTC and I really like the thick warm sound of the Lonestar. For recording, I'm thinking about running both these two amps simutaneously through the Marshall cab and mic'n both sides.

Watcha think?

dooo eeet and post clips, please

 

[amiller]

So, I've got this Marshall 4x12 cab that will let me run stereo by splitting the 4x12 between two amps. I'd have to set the amps to 4ohms...no prob. I have an XTC 101b and a Lonestar Classic. I like the refined driving tone of the XTC and I really like the thick warm sound of the Lonestar. For recording, I'm thinking about running both these two amps simutaneously through the Marshall cab and mic'n both sides.

Watcha think?

dooo eeet and post clips, please

The kicker is that I had borrowed my bass player's Lehle splitter and had it for over a month. I never thought to try both amps into one cab. My bass player was over last night to work on some of our originals and he took his splitter when he left. We're not scheduled for more studio work for another three weeks from now.

I just gotta wait!

 

[amiller]

I have done this many times and like the sound of each amp having it's own cab better .... YMMV.

Yes, but, I want to record both amps at the same time in the same room using two different mics. If I use two cabs I'm sure to run in to phasing issues that I really don't want to fuss over.

Why would you think you well have less phase issues doing it this way ?

My cabs are on opposites ends of a wall. I've tried mic'n both cabs and amps before and there were major phasing issues. With both amps going in to one cab the distances between the mics and the source will be the same...no phasing issues.

 

[JakeAC5253]

I wouldn't do it myself, but the only way to find out is to try. I would want the cab to resonate with each amp correctly and independently. Double tracking gives you a fatter tone and a bit wider stereo field anyway due to the differences in playing nuance between the takes. Track once using one head and one mic then another track using the other amp. Pan both takes hard to one side, then repeat the process on the other side. Pure, bestial rhythm tone as satan intended.

 

[JakeAC5253]

I have done this many times and like the sound of each amp having it's own cab better .... YMMV.

Yes, but, I want to record both amps at the same time in the same room using two different mics. If I use two cabs I'm sure to run in to phasing issues that I really don't want to fuss over.

Why would you think you well have less phase issues doing it this way ?

My cabs are on opposites ends of a wall. I've tried mic'n both cabs and amps before and there were major phasing issues. With both amps going in to one cab the distances between the mics and the source will be the same...no phasing issues.

I agree with Stephen. And I'll add to that, your cabs shouldn't be ANWHERE near a wall when recording. That could be the source of your phasing right there and not due to any amp or mic conflict, only sheer acoustics.

 

[stephen sawall]

I have done this many times and like the sound of each amp having it's own cab better .... YMMV.

Yes, but, I want to record both amps at the same time in the same room using two different mics. If I use two cabs I'm sure to run in to phasing issues that I really don't want to fuss over.

Why would you think you well have less phase issues doing it this way ?

My cabs are on opposites ends of a wall. I've tried mic'n both cabs and amps before and there were major phasing issues. With both amps going in to one cab the distances between the mics and the source will be the same...no phasing issues.

It is not that simple.

 

[nbarts]

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[droptrd]

how are you combining or switching the amps? Im thinking of doing something simular

I'm going to use a Lehle P-split. It lets me split my guitar signal and route it to both amps. It's very quite and works well.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Lehle-PSplit-Splitter-Guitar-Pedal?sku=150527

That looks perfect for what I need. Thanks

 

[amiller]

how are you combining or switching the amps? Im thinking of doing something simular

I'm going to use a Lehle P-split. It lets me split my guitar signal and route it to both amps. It's very quite and works well.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Lehle-PSplit-Splitter-Guitar-Pedal?sku=150527

That looks perfect for what I need. Thanks

Yeah, I borrowed my bass players for a while and it worked great!

 

[amiller]

I have done this many times and like the sound of each amp having it's own cab better .... YMMV.

Yes, but, I want to record both amps at the same time in the same room using two different mics. If I use two cabs I'm sure to run in to phasing issues that I really don't want to fuss over.

Why would you think you well have less phase issues doing it this way ?

My cabs are on opposites ends of a wall. I've tried mic'n both cabs and amps before and there were major phasing issues. With both amps going in to one cab the distances between the mics and the source will be the same...no phasing issues.

It is not that simple.

Works for me.

 

[JakeAC5253]

It is not that simple.

Works for me.

But you are still going to get phasing... so no it doesn't really work...

 

[Heritage Softail]

I have a stereo 2x12 cab and a mono one. I ran an SLO and Rivera Knuck in the stereo box. It was OK. The separation is not there obviously. It seems also to blend in a way where the complimentary but different tones are lost. Much better with two separate 2x12 cabs. It may have something to do with the frequencies of one amp fighting the other amp inside the enclosure. Width of sources also improves the perception to me and bandmates at practice. I wanted to lug one less cab. If you already lug 2 heads for those special occasions... man up on the 2nd cab was my choice. It all gets down to what you like most and feel comfortable with behind you.

 

[amiller]

It is not that simple.

Works for me.

But you are still going to get phasing... so no it doesn't really work...

Ah...no, I'm not getting phasing so...really does work.

 

[amiller]

I have a stereo 2x12 cab and a mono one. I ran an SLO and Rivera Knuck in the stereo box. It was OK. The separation is not there obviously. It seems also to blend in a way where the complimentary but different tones are lost. Much better with two separate 2x12 cabs. It may have something to do with the frequencies of one amp fighting the other amp inside the enclosure. Width of sources also improves the perception to me and bandmates at practice. I wanted to lug one less cab. If you already lug 2 heads for those special occasions... man up on the 2nd cab was my choice. It all gets down to what you like most and feel comfortable with behind you.

This is only for studio recording...not live work.

 

[stephen sawall]

I have done this many times and like the sound of each amp having it's own cab better .... YMMV.

Yes, but, I want to record both amps at the same time in the same room using two different mics. If I use two cabs I'm sure to run in to phasing issues that I really don't want to fuss over.

Why would you think you well have less phase issues doing it this way ?

My cabs are on opposites ends of a wall. I've tried mic'n both cabs and amps before and there were major phasing issues. With both amps going in to one cab the distances between the mics and the source will be the same...no phasing issues.

It is not that simple.

Works for me.

That is all that matters ..... it is pretty close to what I do most of the time ..... but two cabs and a room mic. I just use my ears to do mic placement and balance. Two amps just make a huge sound scape. I have had two amp heads that were out of phase with each other before .... but that is a easy fix.

 

[amiller]

I have done this many times and like the sound of each amp having it's own cab better .... YMMV.

Yes, but, I want to record both amps at the same time in the same room using two different mics. If I use two cabs I'm sure to run in to phasing issues that I really don't want to fuss over.

Why would you think you well have less phase issues doing it this way ?

My cabs are on opposites ends of a wall. I've tried mic'n both cabs and amps before and there were major phasing issues. With both amps going in to one cab the distances between the mics and the source will be the same...no phasing issues.

It is not that simple.

Works for me.

That is all that matters ..... it is pretty close to what I do most of the time ..... but two cabs and a room mic. I just use my ears to do mic placement and balance. Two amps just make a huge sound scape. I have had two amp heads that were out of phase with each other before .... but that is a easy fix.

I'm limited where I can place my cabs in my studio. To make the best of my space the cabs need to be at opposite ends of one of the walls. Yes, they sound great there when driving both of them with different amps, however, I'm not able to get rid of the phasing issues when I try to record them that way. My studio is upstairs in a room with an angled ceiling and walls that cause a lot of late reflections and phasing issues. If I use two very close mics on a single cab my phasing issues are gone (to my ears).

 

[stephen sawall]

I took for granted that you had a space limitation problem .... I got all my stuff out of storage a few months ago .... stuff is piled every place and the dinning room is filled to the ceiling fan. I have two 4x12's and a 2x12 stacked in my bedroom .... because of the limited space left.

 

[amiller]

I took for granted that you had a space limitation problem .... I got all my stuff out of storage a few months ago .... stuff is piled every place and the dinning room is filled to the ceiling fan. I have two 4x12's and a 2x12 stacked in my bedroom .... because of the limited space left.

Hey, we make do with what we have.

 

[FIREBALL]

Is it like this?:

That's the back.

You can switch it very easily or run both at once.

If you want them both on, just plug ea. into the 8ohm.

If you want to switch them or go between them... a Lehle splitter works well.

So does a Mesa high gain amp switcher (expensive)

or, do what I do...

I use an Ernie Ball Stereo / Pan pedal and pan between the amps.... This way I can blend the amps however I want. OR... use the side footswitch and have them both on at the same time and it works at my volume pedal.

There`s also this alternative, but I don`t think you can use time-based effects in the loop of either amp if you go this route.
Also, this will enable you to utilize the entire cabinet with each amp.

http://www.tonebone.com/tb-headbone-vt.htm

is there a device like this where u can blend both heads in the cab at the same time while using the whole cab