Uberschall vs. 2ch Dual Rectifier

[RJF]

There is a Bogner rev blue Uberschall for sale near me and am debating the purchase. I have never played on an uber but have heard that it's tonally similar to a rectifier. How does it compare to an early 2 channel Dual rectifier? Are they close enough in tone that it wouldn't make sense to have both? Which would you prefer? Reason I am asking is that if I buy an Uber, either my 2ch dual, or my Powerball has to go to keep the wife from beating me with a big piece of pipe. So with that, it wouldn't make sense to mess with it if it's nearly the same sound as my recto.

 

[JakeAC5253]

Buy Recto, bye Powerball.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

The Uberschall has the low/mid bottom end the DR is lacking, not quite so scooped or hollow sounding. It won't replace your DR. But the DR might start feeling neglected.

You won't regret it.

 

[locoed]

I don't think they sound similar,besides the low end.
I prefer my Uber for studio etc,and my DR's for gigs.
Only because they have more of a raw tone.
The Uberschall is tight and smooth.
I love them both,they are my 2 favorites.
But buy what you like most,and spend time with them
if you can.

 

[FourT6and2]

I wouldn't describe the Uberschall as "tight." It's definitely got a bit of sag to it and doesn't track as quickly as a Rectifier. I prefer the tone of the Uber, but the FEEL of the amp is a bit loose. Just keep that in mind. It's also a lot easier to dial in than a Rectifier.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

Give me a 2 channel dual recto with a boost any day over an Uberschall...

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Uberschall needs no boost to sound right.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

Uberschall needs no boost to sound right.

not to my ears...but to each his own. I've tried several Ubers and they all sounded like arse to me...flubby bass and harsh highs

 

[locoed]

I wouldn't describe the Uberschall as "tight." It's definitely got a bit of sag to it and doesn't track as quickly as a Rectifier. I prefer the tone of the Uber, but the FEEL of the amp is a bit loose. Just keep that in mind. It's also a lot easier to dial in than a Rectifier.

Not disagreeing with you RE:uberschall,everybody has there own
opinion,but I think it's tight.and the recto's have a crappy EQ,uberschall
gets different tones then a DR,I should say more.
And I wouldn't boost anything unless it was a shitty amp.
That's my opinion.I hate boosting amps,they already have more gain
then any decent player would ever need.
And if you do it to tighten it up,why not buy a different amp?
The more gain you use the sloppier it gets.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

I love the recto's ran 2 of them in stereo for many years, but would go with the uber. The thing that you need to know is that the trick to the uber is in the presence knob the more you back it of the more scooped it gets and it has more gain on tap than the recto's. I have played all the uber versions and much prefer the rev blue in fact I just bought my second one because I like the rv's so much.

 

[Hard&Heavy]

I wouldn't describe the Uberschall as "tight." It's definitely got a bit of sag to it and doesn't track as quickly as a Rectifier. I prefer the tone of the Uber, but the FEEL of the amp is a bit loose. Just keep that in mind. It's also a lot easier to dial in than a Rectifier.

Not disagreeing with you RE:uberschall,everybody has there own
opinion,but I think it's tight.and the recto's have a crappy EQ,uberschall
gets different tones then a DR,I should say more.
And I wouldn't boost anything unless it was a shitty amp.
That's my opinion.I hate boosting amps,they already have more gain
then any decent player would ever need.
And if you do it to tighten it up,why not buy a different amp?
The more gain you use the sloppier it gets.

I agree with this statement the uber does not need boosted I run the gain at 1:00 and that is all you would ever need at that point it already has more gain happening than an recto dimed.

 

[NewWorldMan]

If you want to hear them mixed, pop on Trivium's "Crusade" or Creed's "Full Circle." Both albums were a Recto + Uber.

 

[steve_k]

The Uber/Recto combination is the way to go. Set the mids to 0 on the Uber and run it dry on channel 2 with decent gain for bottom end then let the Recto romp on top and upper mid sizzle. Ran it for several years before the VH4 came along and replaced the Recto.

Steve

 

[FourT6and2]

I wouldn't describe the Uberschall as "tight." It's definitely got a bit of sag to it and doesn't track as quickly as a Rectifier. I prefer the tone of the Uber, but the FEEL of the amp is a bit loose. Just keep that in mind. It's also a lot easier to dial in than a Rectifier.

Not disagreeing with you RE:uberschall,everybody has there own
opinion,but I think it's tight.and the recto's have a crappy EQ,uberschall
gets different tones then a DR,I should say more.
And I wouldn't boost anything unless it was a shitty amp.
That's my opinion.I hate boosting amps,they already have more gain
then any decent player would ever need.
And if you do it to tighten it up,why not buy a different amp?
The more gain you use the sloppier it gets.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Nowhere did I mention anything about boosting. The Uberschall is much looser in feel than a Recto. Period. I owned a Rev. 2 for a number of years and got rid of it because it had too much sag. I've also owned a Dual Rectifier. I'd pick an Uber over a Recto any day. But that doesn't change the fact that the Uber is a loose, flubby amp.

 

[RJF]

If the Uber is even looser than a Dual Recto, than I think I'll pass. I don't use a boost on any amp, at all and don't plan to. Still can't make up my mind......

 

[lolzgreg]

It's kind of funny how many people have posted negative things about boost pedals/boosting the front end of an amp on this thread.

Boosting isn't just about gain, guys. A tube screamer is shelving down the lows (eliminating flub and unnecessary low end frequencies hitting the front end of the amplifier), boosting the mids around 700hz, aiding with note definition and presence, and then shelving down the extreme highs to eliminate fizz on the top end of the amplifier. A lot of the time it is beneficial to hit the front end of an amplifier and back off the gain knob a tiny bit. It sounds different. Many amps get an unpleasant fizziness and lack of note definition when the gain is pushed passed a certain point. A boost helps with this.

I think you "purists" need a kick in the rear when it comes to boosting. There's a difference between not liking how a boost sounds and refusing to use one. I'm not sure how many of you guys are into modern metal like Arch Enemy, Nevermore, Exodus, Gojira, Opeth, etc, but almost every guitar tone listed involved a boost of some sort in front of the amp to make it happen.

I sold my 2 Channel Dual Rectifier for a 2010 model, if that helps you with your decision.

You need to play a Dual Rectifier extensively WITH a boost pedal to warrant whether you like those amps or not. They are the PICKIEST amps out there when it comes to whose playing they get along with. They sound terrible without a boost to me. Throw a Boss DS-1 in front of a Recto (this pedal's tone control seems to help a lot with the hole in the high midrange the Rectifiers are notorious for), and you can get some awesome tones with it. Perhaps I will have clips to follow.

 

[FIREBALL]

It's kind of funny how many people have posted negative things about boost pedals/boosting the front end of an amp on this thread.

Boosting isn't just about gain, guys. A tube screamer is shelving down the lows (eliminating flub and unnecessary low end frequencies hitting the front end of the amplifier), boosting the mids around 700hz, aiding with note definition and presence, and then shelving down the extreme highs to eliminate fizz on the top end of the amplifier. A lot of the time it is beneficial to hit the front end of an amplifier and back off the gain knob a tiny bit. It sounds different. Many amps get an unpleasant fizziness and lack of note definition when the gain is pushed passed a certain point. A boost helps with this.

I think you "purists" need a kick in the rear when it comes to boosting. There's a difference between not liking how a boost sounds and refusing to use one. I'm not sure how many of you guys are into modern metal like Arch Enemy, Nevermore, Exodus, Gojira, Opeth, etc, but almost every guitar tone listed involved a boost of some sort in front of the amp to make it happen.

I sold my 2 Channel Dual Rectifier for a 2010 model, if that helps you with your decision.

You need to play a Dual Rectifier extensively WITH a boost pedal to warrant whether you like those amps or not. They are the PICKIEST amps out there when it comes to whose playing they get along with. They sound terrible without a boost to me. Throw a Boss DS-1 in front of a Recto (this pedal's tone control seems to help a lot with the hole in the high midrange the Rectifiers are notorious for), and you can get some awesome tones with it. Perhaps I will have clips to follow.

dude i was type this in because of how off base people r about boosting its about tightening a high gain amp now a days...

 

[Laura]

My Rev. 2 Uber with a boost and Kt88's crushes my old 2 channel DR. Even boosted, I could not get what I wanted out of my 2 channel DR once I entered the world of "boutique" amps.

 

[locoed]

I wouldn't describe the Uberschall as "tight." It's definitely got a bit of sag to it and doesn't track as quickly as a Rectifier. I prefer the tone of the Uber, but the FEEL of the amp is a bit loose. Just keep that in mind. It's also a lot easier to dial in than a Rectifier.

Not disagreeing with you RE:uberschall,everybody has there own
opinion,but I think it's tight.and the recto's have a crappy EQ,uberschall
gets different tones then a DR,I should say more.
And I wouldn't boost anything unless it was a shitty amp.
That's my opinion.I hate boosting amps,they already have more gain
then any decent player would ever need.
And if you do it to tighten it up,why not buy a different amp?
The more gain you use the sloppier it gets.

Somebody else mentioned boosting. I don't agree with it,that's all.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Nowhere did I mention anything about boosting. The Uberschall is much looser in feel than a Recto. Period. I owned a Rev. 2 for a number of years and got rid of it because it had too much sag. I've also owned a Dual Rectifier. I'd pick an Uber over a Recto any day. But that doesn't change the fact that the Uber is a loose, flubby amp.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

If the Uber is even looser than a Dual Recto, than I think I'll pass. I don't use a boost on any amp, at all and don't plan to. Still can't make up my mind......

My old Rev 2, Rev Blue, and Se7en's Twin Jet were all tighter than my old 2 channel and 3 channel Dual Rec's plugged straight in with no boosts.

Not sure about the new 2010 models though.