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[sixstrings]

Usuaually to strip a title, you have to earn it, and Rua didn't do enough apparently in the judges eyes. Like it or not, it has nothing to do with the UFC bottom line.

While that appears to be the case and I've heard it said numerous times, that is absolute BS for a judging criteria; don't you agree?

If that's a criteria then it's definately in favour of the UFC bottom line....

The criteria are Effective striking, grappling, agression and octagon control.

I think if we brake that criteria down, we can see why Rua didn't win. Grappling - Rua never effectively controlled the grappling, in fact when Rua went for the clinch, it was so anti-climatic that the ref broke it up at least twice. Rua Failed in the clinch, specially since he is a muay tai guy, that should of been his strong suite. Machida had better knees to the head when they clinched in the center. Take downs, Rua NEVER got a take down!!!, out of how many attempts? So in that case, he failed as well. Heck even when Machida slipped, Rua could NOT take him down. Octagon control? Most of the fight was kept near the middle, with sway's back and forth. Whenever Rua pressed in, Machida got out of the way most of the time and it went right back to a standoff, so I argue no clear octagon control by Rua. Effective stricking, this is where Shogun had very good success, landed some great leg shots, alot of those were counters. And when Rua went in, Machida went in for the counter as well, many times he landed a hard body shot, or a shot to the face, even if Rua's hands were up, I gaurantee you, he ate gloves, even if it was his own.
Shogun was not a clear winner, I don't see him dominating in these criteria, except having some good strikes. I have watched this fight several times, and my mind is still not convinced that Rua won.

It's also important to note that judges score fights based on "effective" aggressiveness. There were several times when he and Machida landed blows at the same time. There were also several instances where Machida caught Shogun with a straight left or right as he came in. When Shogun tried to take Machida down, he was unsuccessful. Yes Shogun was aggressive, but much of the time it wasn't effective. I don't think that anyone can argue that Machida did get the best of the punching exchanges. The leg kicks were Shogun's best weapon and he did a superb job of carrying out his game plan.

To be quite honest, I think it was a draw.

 

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Shogun landed 82 strikes out of 149.
Lyoto landed 42 strikes out of 116.

Shogun had 55% accuracy
Lyoto had 36% accuracy

Shogun landed 17 shots to the head (12 power shots).
Lyoto landed 14 shots to the head (8 power shots).

Lyoto landed 24 shots to the body
Shogun landed 16 shots to the body

Shogun landed 49 leg kicks.
Lyoto landed 4 leg kicks.

Shogun landed 48 strikes from distance.
Lyoto landed 26 strikes from distance.

Shogun landed 34 strikes from the clinch.
Lyoto landed 16 strikes from the clinch.

 

[Audioholic]

Shogun landed 82 strikes out of 149.
Lyoto landed 42 strikes out of 116.

Shogun had 55% accuracy
Lyoto had 36% accuracy

Shogun landed 17 shots to the head (12 power shots).
Lyoto landed 14 shots to the head (8 power shots).

Lyoto landed 24 shots to the body
Shogun landed 16 shots to the body

Shogun landed 49 leg kicks.
Lyoto landed 4 leg kicks.

Shogun landed 48 strikes from distance.
Lyoto landed 26 strikes from distance.

Shogun landed 34 strikes from the clinch.
Lyoto landed 16 strikes from the clinch.

I would have to do the math myself to confirm if I believed all of those numbers on fight metric, there is not doubt that shogun landed some great shots and did great!, particuliary in the ending rounds (which I gave to shogun anyway) but its not a total number of blows, but a per round win, so shogun could of out hit machida 500 to one in the last round, still doesn't give him the overall victory if he didn't win the other rounds you know, so you can't really base a win like this if it does not show per round. Actually someone did break it down per round, and it showed that machida did win the earlier rounds. you also need to put take down attempts of shogun and successful take downs which was zero.

Like I think Dana said, if you want the win, don't let it go to the judges. While the judges are not perfect, a unanimous win is pretty convincing from a judging perspective. This fight in no way tops the Bisping/Hammil fight though, as some say as shady judging.

 

[JackBootedThug]

bisping and hamill was shady. this one-i dont know. i was suprised the desicion went to machida. actually-everyone in my home watching the fight was shocked. other than the leg kicks, it looked somewhat even to me with an edge to shogun. when it's a close split-the champ is the one who usually gets the nod.

 

[messenger]

I thought Shogun should have won. BUT I think alot of peoples opinions (and mine) is distorted from listening to the commentators. They were constantly talking about Rua kicks. Everytime one was landed, they mentioned it. They didn't mention every time Manchida landed a blow though.

 

[Bob Savage]

I thought Shogun should have won. BUT I think alot of peoples opinions (and mine) is distorted from listening to the commentators. They were constantly talking about Rua kicks. Everytime one was landed, they mentioned it. They didn't mention every time Manchida landed a blow though.

I believe the reason for the commentators noting the kicks as well as home viewers was due to the sound of the impact when Rua's shin connected with Machida. The impact of Rua's kicks was far greater than most landed by Machida and thus, sounded more impressive.

 

[Audioholic]

I thought Shogun should have won. BUT I think alot of peoples opinions (and mine) is distorted from listening to the commentators. They were constantly talking about Rua kicks. Everytime one was landed, they mentioned it. They didn't mention every time Manchida landed a blow though.

I believe the reason for the commentators noting the kicks as well as home viewers was due to the sound of the impact when Rua's shin connected with Machida. The impact of Rua's kicks was far greater than most landed by Machida and thus, sounded more impressive.

But they commented on those alot while Machida Was rushing in for the strike. If you have ever sparred, you probally have noticed that once you get closer in distance, kicks to the body are less effective, they lose that whip snap. I have gotten kicked many times while rushing in, and it is much less painful then at correct distance. This is why I think Machida commented that his side was not really bothering him (but his legs were), as most of the body kicks were not in perfect distance when Joe was yelling about Shogun, it was really annoying. Now some of the kicks were very solid and caused tremendous damage, to Machida's legs. Some of the comments were proper, some of them were just plain out of context when Machida clearly got the better of the exchanges.

I will say I enjoyed the fight much better with the volume off.

 

[Bob Savage]

I will say I enjoyed the fight much better with the volume off.

With very few exceptions (Bas Rutten is one), MMA has had poor commentary since its inception, which is to be expected for a developing sport. I've become accustomed to ignoring the hype and jock riding of commentators, so I quite enjoyed the fight with the volume up.

 

[Code001]

I will say I enjoyed the fight much better with the volume off.

With very few exceptions (Bas Rutten is one), MMA has had poor commentary since its inception, which is to be expected for a developing sport. I've become accustomed to ignoring the hype and jock riding of commentators, so I quite enjoyed the fight with the volume up.

You're forgetting Michael Schiavello. He's easily the best commentator at the moment.

OPEN THE FRIDGE, HE'S OUT COLD!

 

[cloudnine]

 

[Bob Savage]

You're forgetting Michael Schiavello. He's easily the best commentator at the moment.

OPEN THE FRIDGE, HE'S OUT COLD!

LOL! Very few can touch the commentary of Jim Brown.

 

[RedRider]

I will say I enjoyed the fight much better with the volume off.

With very few exceptions (Bas Rutten is one), MMA has had poor commentary since its inception, which is to be expected for a developing sport. I've become accustomed to ignoring the hype and jock riding of commentators, so I quite enjoyed the fight with the volume up.

You're forgetting Michael Schiavello. He's easily the best commentator at the moment.

OPEN THE FRIDGE, HE'S OUT COLD!

I like hearing Joe Rogan trying to make up names for holds and moves immediately on the spot...LOL What exactly is the difference from a Peruvian Necktie and a Columbian Necktie???

 

[Bob Savage]

What exactly is the difference from a Peruvian Necktie and a Columbian Necktie???

Not much, they're basically in the same geographic region.

 

[Audioholic]

I honestly think Joe Rogan had a few drinks that night. He let loose some comments that he probally should of held his tounge on.

 

[Bob Savage]

I honestly think Joe Rogan had a few drinks that night. He let loose some comments that he probally should of held his tounge on.

The look in his eyes made me think he had more than just drinks.

 

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