US Govt can seize musicians guitars????

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There are terrorists, there's the problems with the economy, there are numerous other issues, and these guys are having meetings about wood. Bunch of assholes. Do something useful, please.

I have a guitar coming in from Canada with an ebony fretboard, and if it gets seized, I'm gonna freak out.
 
Steinmetzify":38823ztt said:
There are terrorists, there's the problems with the economy, there are numerous other issues, and these guys are having meetings about wood. Bunch of assholes.

I've been saying the same thing about our idiot President going on the View talking about gays. Jobs are on the American peoples radars. Not gays. :doh:

Politicians suck. :gethim:
 
Badronald":3pmxbe9z said:
Just when you thought the Govt. couldn't get any more out of control.
These people are idiots. :doh:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05 ... ator-says/
Yah, right - turnip truck post. First they can't exactly determine that the wood to make the guitars was in the US prior to 2008. So this bullshit published article is moot.

My Father Fred Gerlach makes 12-string acoustic guitars and is one of the best acoustic guitar builders in the world. Some of his jumbo 12-string acoustics sell for as much as $50,000 – and well worth it.

Same here, he has approximate 300lbs as we speak of elephant ivory tusks in his shop used for inlay, nuts and saddles. He is also a gun smith and makes elephant ivory gun grips for all sorts of pistols and stocks for rifles -1911, Colt 357, S&W single action 357, AK 47 stocks, et cetera. There’s no way to determine if the ivory was in the US illegally after the ivory ban was put into place.
 
using FOX "news" as a news source was your first mistake :thumbsdown:
 
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sixstringking713":12sywd3j said:
using FOX "news" as a news source was your first mistake :thumbsdown:

so, are there things wrong with this report ??? :confused:
 
Jimmy R":1fhvrqds said:
sixstringking713":1fhvrqds said:
using FOX "news" as a news source was your first mistake :thumbsdown:

Specific reasons why, please?
kissmyace":1fhvrqds said:
sixstringking713":1fhvrqds said:
using FOX "news" as a news source was your first mistake :thumbsdown:

so, are there things wrong with this report ??? :confused:




http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120 ... -Act-heard

from text quote:

Adam Gardner, guitarist and vocalist for the band Guster and founder of the environmental nonprofit Reverb, disagreed.

“Lacey does not pose a threat to musicians,” he said. “By contrast, the Lacey Act provides comforting assurance to conscientious consumers like myself that the wood I am buying in my instruments or elsewhere is legally sound.”

Obama administration officials said enforcement efforts are aimed at commercial trafficking of illegal wood, not at individual retailers or musicians.

Eileen Sobeck, deputy assistant secretary for fish and wildlife and parks at the Interior Department, said the RELIEF Act would weaken environmental protections.

“Limiting prosecutions to only those who knowingly violate the law would provide an incentive for importers to be ignorant or claim ignorance of the contents of his or her shipments and undermine the administration’s efforts to combat the trafficking of protected wildlife,” said Sobeck.

Executives of the furniture retailer IKEA and the American Forest and Paper Association said they like parts of Cooper and Blackburn’s bill — for example, the provision that would exempt wood products imported before 2008 — but don’t support the legislation as a whole.

Another bill discussed at the hearing, introduced by Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, both Republicans, would repeal the requirement that U.S. companies comply with foreign environmental laws.

Paul said forcing U.S. companies to comply with foreign laws is “absurd on its face” and may not be constitutional.

At Tuesday’s hearing, Cooper said he doesn’t support Paul and Broun’s bill because it goes too far.



/quote

All I'm saying is FOX is always missing part of the story to make it more controversial and/or to spur political arguments. I'm not trying to argue, I just want to point out that to me it seems like this is not aimed at musicians at all (it is a finished product at that point and prior to 2008 especially), it is a matter of if it is illegally imported. That is all.. I hope Gibson still can get the wood legally, as they claim, and continue to make guitars! :thumbsup:
 
sixstringking713":330hzcvt said:
Jimmy R":330hzcvt said:
sixstringking713":330hzcvt said:
using FOX "news" as a news source was your first mistake :thumbsdown:

Specific reasons why, please?
kissmyace":330hzcvt said:
sixstringking713":330hzcvt said:
using FOX "news" as a news source was your first mistake :thumbsdown:

so, are there things wrong with this report ??? :confused:




http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120 ... -Act-heard

from text quote:

Adam Gardner, guitarist and vocalist for the band Guster and founder of the environmental nonprofit Reverb, disagreed.

“Lacey does not pose a threat to musicians,” he said. “By contrast, the Lacey Act provides comforting assurance to conscientious consumers like myself that the wood I am buying in my instruments or elsewhere is legally sound.”

Obama administration officials said enforcement efforts are aimed at commercial trafficking of illegal wood, not at individual retailers or musicians.

Eileen Sobeck, deputy assistant secretary for fish and wildlife and parks at the Interior Department, said the RELIEF Act would weaken environmental protections.

“Limiting prosecutions to only those who knowingly violate the law would provide an incentive for importers to be ignorant or claim ignorance of the contents of his or her shipments and undermine the administration’s efforts to combat the trafficking of protected wildlife,” said Sobeck.

Executives of the furniture retailer IKEA and the American Forest and Paper Association said they like parts of Cooper and Blackburn’s bill — for example, the provision that would exempt wood products imported before 2008 — but don’t support the legislation as a whole.

Another bill discussed at the hearing, introduced by Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia, both Republicans, would repeal the requirement that U.S. companies comply with foreign environmental laws.

Paul said forcing U.S. companies to comply with foreign laws is “absurd on its face” and may not be constitutional.

At Tuesday’s hearing, Cooper said he doesn’t support Paul and Broun’s bill because it goes too far.



/quote

All I'm saying is FOX is always missing part of the story to make it more controversial and/or to spur political arguments. I'm not trying to argue, I just want to point out that to me it seems like this is not aimed at musicians at all (it is a finished product at that point and prior to 2008 especially), it is a matter of if it is illegally imported. That is all.. I hope Gibson still can get the wood legally, as they claim, and continue to make guitars! :thumbsup:

It's an informative article, but I don't really think this brings much more to the table though. My question is what about the the musician who is inspected and found with a 2010 Les Paul Standard made with "illegal" rosewood? The dude from Guster discredits naysayers of the law for reasons in which I do not care. They state it's not aimed at musicians, but they didn't say that musicians will be completely disregarded in the process. After all, administrations say a lot of things.
 
At the end of the day, it's none of the government's fucking business what I choose to buy and it comes down to a personal issue between self and wood. Your tax dollars hard at work, while shit roams the streets and people are living under an overpass. Fuck the US government.
 
steve_k":jz50wj9a said:
At the end of the day, it's none of the government's fucking business what I choose to buy and it comes down to a personal issue between self and wood. Your tax dollars hard at work, while shit roams the streets and people are living under an overpass. Fuck the US government.


i dunno, i think exotic woods are corrupting our culture... :P
 
I think some people need to read the article a little closer. They're saying they need to re-work it to try to get around the issue it has created. I love how politics can blind people's ability to read and reason.
 
Chris O":3rnw46o6 said:
I think some people need to read the article a little closer. They're saying they need to re-work it to try to get around the issue it has created. I love how politics can blind people's ability to read and reason.

Don't be naive. A lot of things need to be reworked. It doesn't necessarily mean it gets done.
 
Yeah sure you can take my guitar

FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

Thank you.
Bill
 
Simply ridiculous!

Don't they have better things to worry about?? :doh:
 
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