Using pedals in loop of SLO100..

[cyndicate]

The SLO100 loop is +4 DB which I think is Line Level, so would it sound bad if I ran pedals into it? Like a Deluxe Memory Man or any analog delay?

 

[MrDan666]

The SLO100 loop is +4 DB which I think is Line Level, so would it sound bad if I ran pedals into it? Like a Deluxe Memory Man or any analog delay?

Im guessing the loop level is gonna be too hot for the inputs of those pedals.. as they work best on -10db (instrument level)

 

[cyndicate]

The SLO100 loop is +4 DB which I think is Line Level, so would it sound bad if I ran pedals into it? Like a Deluxe Memory Man or any analog delay?

Im guessing the loop level is gonna be too hot for the inputs of those pedals.. as they work best on -10db (instrument level)

Yeah, is there anyway to get around this?

 

[jcj]

The SLO100 loop is +4 DB which I think is Line Level, so would it sound bad if I ran pedals into it? Like a Deluxe Memory Man or any analog delay?

Im guessing the loop level is gonna be too hot for the inputs of those pedals.. as they work best on -10db (instrument level)

Yeah, is there anyway to get around this?

I'm pretty sure there are converters.

 

[MARK1970]

Be careful, as you could ruin your pedals.

 

[stratotone]

A cheap and good sounding +4db pedal would be the Boss DD20 - Mine sounded great in my Ecstasy loop and in my Randall RM 100, which had a really finicky loop like the SLO.

Pete

 

[cyndicate]

It doesnt ruin the pedals

Pedal effects wont work right in the SLO loop. the sound changes in a very detrimental way.
The Ebtech converter works somewhat, but there was still a drop.

The T-Rex Replica delay worked great in the SLO loop, as its +4 capable

I can't find any info on it being +4 capable? Manual says the input is -10

 

[trey85stang]

there is a small mod to lower it to line level. i think its a cap and resistor change. I put it on my clone.

 

[duesentrieb]

Yup. Easy fix. 1x1µF and 1x2k2 resistor to drop that down to 0dB.

Still the position of the loop in the circuitry sucks big way.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

Yup. Easy fix. 1x1µF and 1x2k2 resistor to drop that down to 0dB.

Still the position of the loop in the circuitry sucks big way.

Agreed, Olaf!

Horrible.

 

[duesentrieb]

Hi Keith

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

Hi Keith

Hey Olaf!

Why....WHY did Mike design the SLO this way?

Hope you're doing awesome, Bro!!

Keith

 

[loudgtr]

Yup. Easy fix. 1x1µF and 1x2k2 resistor to drop that down to 0dB.

Still the position of the loop in the circuitry sucks big way.

I'm no expert by any means, but "sucks" sounds a bit harsh. I tried a Boss DD20 in the loop on a Hot Rod 100+ once by the recommendation of a buddy who uses one in his SLO's loop (with no problems he said) and it worked perfectly. Looking forward to buying/using one in my new SLO.

Cheers.

 

[duesentrieb]

Yup. Easy fix. 1x1µF and 1x2k2 resistor to drop that down to 0dB.

Still the position of the loop in the circuitry sucks big way.

I'm no expert by any means, but "sucks" sounds a bit harsh. I tried a Boss DD20 in the loop on a Hot Rod 100+ once by the recommendation of a buddy who uses one in his SLO's loop (with no problems he said) and it worked perfectly. Looking forward to buying/using one in my new SLO.

Cheers.

Because you don't have a "send level" (which in modern amps is the "channel volume"), just a return level (the masters).
So with two different settings - lets say clean and lead - you get a huge difference in send levels for the "pedal" - which "sucks". Placing the loop after the masters (then they would act as send levels) and either adding a "global" master after it or using a pedal or 19" with a good "out" level balance, would be a better idea.
When you are using it for just one sound (or the levels of the channels are equal) then it doesn't matter.

btw: the Decatone was built like that
(I'm not saying its better than the SLO, which I love soundwise, just . . .well . . . you know)

 

[duesentrieb]

Hi Keith

Hey Olaf!

Why....WHY did Mike design the SLO this way?

Hope you're doing awesome, Bro!!

Keith

Everything well here, Keith. Kids growing fast, you know . . .

Hope you are well too !

He changed it for the Decatone and constructed the Avenger (same circuitry) without a loop - not sure if it is available now with a loop too.
One thing (IMO) is for sure: the SLO without the loop circuitry sounds a lot better. Less compression, more open, very in your face. Just awesome.

 

[stratotone]

Remember too that the SLO is what - a 20-something year old design?

 

[duesentrieb]

Remember too that the SLO is what - a 20-something year old design?

Yes, and the very first SLOs had no loop at all. Was demanded by customers who probably just used the lead at that time . . .
except Gary Moore who used (only) the crunch - and an Alesis Quadraverb or so - and later used mostly HotRods the same way (probably - not sure - because of the lower wattage) . . .

 

[loudgtr]

Yup. Easy fix. 1x1µF and 1x2k2 resistor to drop that down to 0dB.

Still the position of the loop in the circuitry sucks big way.

I'm no expert by any means, but "sucks" sounds a bit harsh. I tried a Boss DD20 in the loop on a Hot Rod 100+ once by the recommendation of a buddy who uses one in his SLO's loop (with no problems he said) and it worked perfectly. Looking forward to buying/using one in my new SLO.

Cheers.

Because you don't have a "send level" (which in modern amps is the "channel volume"), just a return level (the masters).
So with two different settings - lets say clean and lead - you get a huge difference in send levels for the "pedal" - which "sucks". Placing the loop after the masters (then they would act as send levels) and either adding a "global" master after it or using a pedal or 19" with a good "out" level balance, would be a better idea.
When you are using it for just one sound (or the levels of the channels are equal) then it doesn't matter.

btw: the Decatone was built like that
(I'm not saying its better than the SLO, which I love soundwise, just . . .well . . . you know)

Ahhh...I didn't know that about the Decatone! Cool I have heard of problems with the loop on the SLO when you change channels with the effect on but have no experience with this yet.

 

[cyndicate]

Yup. Easy fix. 1x1µF and 1x2k2 resistor to drop that down to 0dB.

Still the position of the loop in the circuitry sucks big way.

I'm no expert by any means, but "sucks" sounds a bit harsh. I tried a Boss DD20 in the loop on a Hot Rod 100+ once by the recommendation of a buddy who uses one in his SLO's loop (with no problems he said) and it worked perfectly. Looking forward to buying/using one in my new SLO.

Cheers.

Cool I guess I'll have to just get one thats +4 capable or just get a rack unit.