Using pedals in MOD50 loop w/pics

MarcoR

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I’ve been a midi guy for years. I always had a rack for my trusty intellifex and some kind of midi switcher for my amp and analog non-midi equipment. It made sense and being I’m a lead singer/guitar, I really don’t need to be tap dancing while singing the high note and switching to my lead tone.

That being said, in the last few years I’ve started accumulating floor pedals for effects I couldn’t get out of my rack (mostly BYOC that I build and modify). My rig started being a pain to setup with my rack and ever growing floorboard especially for gigs with multiple bands and turn over is less than 15 min.

I decided to ditch the rack and midi gear and put everything on the floor! As long as I had the rack, I always missed tweaking effects in real time during a performance so it would mean trading one set of pros & cons for another.

I replaced the intellifex with a Boss DD-20 and RV-5 (Now Boss pedals aren’t the sexiest pedals but bare with me). The key was ordering a custom pedalsnake. The snake contains 3 line cables and 2 midi cables and rolls up neatly in my pedal case.

This allows me to route from my guitar through the tuner>wha>whammy>phaser>temollo to the amp, then out the parallel loop send back to the floorboard through the DD-20 > RV-5 back to the loop return.

Now the tip is how you connect the delay and reverb pedal! The DD-20 must be setup to output the dry signal to output A and the wet to output B (and +4 input level). Next, connect the output A (delay) to input A of the reverb and output B (delay) to input B of the reverb.

Finally, only connect output B of the reverb to the return of the MOD50. This will pass only a wet signal through the parallel loop.

When the pedals are off, no wet signal is passed through the loop and sounds no different than having the master effect at 0 or nothing in the loop at all.

Now with this setup I can literally get setup in less time than it takes to pull my guitars out of their cases. It’s just a matter of unwinding the snake and making 4 connections to the amp.

Now, the drawback is, I would love to have my delay kick in when I hit the lead channel on my amp. Prior to getting the MOD50 I actually rewired the pedal for my TSL 122 to include a jack for connecting the ext. switch jack of my delay. Hitting the solo channel triggered the delay to turn on and clicking back to either of the other channels turned it back off.

The good news is the MOD50 sounds so good; I really don’t need the delay on all every solo and maybe it's helping to break a bad habit.

Hope that may spark some ideas!
 
MarcoR":f11e4 said:
I would love to have my delay kick in when I hit the lead channel on my amp.
Ah-Ha! I came up with something rumaging through my closet...
An old Rockman Midi Octopus! So now I can progam my delay to turn on when I hit channel 4!

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So here is the setup:
All the cables neatly packed in a single foorboard.

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Here's how the snake connects to the amp.
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The midi through on the back of the amp gets sent to the octopus and the octopus tiggers an ext. jack on the DD-20.
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These are some of the BYOC pedals I've built. I got lazy on labeling the tremolo.
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The 'Porn Wha' was my first (BYOC that is..).
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The Eggy...
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That was fun!
 
Very cool!~

I am trying to get away with little to no effects these days. I am going to pick up the DD20 as I hear great things....

What about the RV5? Is that a +4 line level pedal????? I thought Boss pedals other than the DD20 were standard guitar level. I thought about reverb in the loop, but I am hoping just a good chorus up front can give me what I need to give me enough dimension in tone for cleans.
 
richedie":407e3 said:
What about the RV5? Is that a +4 line level pedal????? I thought Boss pedals other than the DD20 were standard guitar level. I thought about reverb in the loop, but I am hoping just a good chorus up front can give me what I need to give me enough dimension in tone for cleans.
RV-5 is not configurable to +4 input line level like the DD-20. However, in this senario its not nessesary. With the DD-20 set at +4 it does not appear to be introducing any noise or distortion to the RV-5 and the RV-5 is not being overdriven.
Truthfully, it works fine without the DD-20 set to +4; except that you would need to max out the effect level control on both the delay and the effect master on the amp for really loud trippy delays.

As far as a chorus in the loop, if you found a stereo chorus that split the signal to a wet/dry, you could just connect it the same as I have with the reverb.

The DD-20 must be setup to output the dry signal to output A and the wet to output B (and +4 input level). Next, connect the output A (delay) to input A of the reverb and output B (delay) to input B of the reverb.
The problem there is most chorus pedals are mono in, so you would have to put it in front of the delay. Chorus out A/B to delay in A/B (The DD-20 has stereo inputs). If the levels all work out, this would sound pretty good for overdrive but I would still prefer the chorus to be in front of the amp for clean.

richedie":407e3 said:
So for you guys gigging with the MOD 50...how are you switching effects and switching in lead tones? Midi?
I caught that in the other thread and thought you would dig this.
 
After our session in the sound room today..Frank and myself...Let me say one thing....2290! If you spend 2k on your amp spend 2k on your effects. Once you put a 2290 in the loop...game over!
 
Jeff Hilligan":a13f9 said:
After our session in the sound room today..Frank and myself...Let me say one thing....2290! If you spend 2k on your amp spend 2k on your effects. Once you put a 2290 in the loop...game over!

What do you do about modulation effects which should be up front? I like using pedals, not rack so I just try to buy top pedals like TC Electronics or other top shelf makers.
 
richedie":83e08 said:
Jeff Hilligan":83e08 said:
After our session in the sound room today..Frank and myself...Let me say one thing....2290! If you spend 2k on your amp spend 2k on your effects. Once you put a 2290 in the loop...game over!

What do you do about modulation effects which should be up front? I like using pedals, not rack so I just try to buy top pedals like TC Electronics or other top shelf makers.

Just a heads up to everyone. TC announced the "2290 in a pedal" at Summer NAMM. Its called Nova Delay. $250. It may be replacing my DD-20 if its all it claims to be.

-Matt
 
EWSEthan":07e5f said:
richedie":07e5f said:
Jeff Hilligan":07e5f said:
After our session in the sound room today..Frank and myself...Let me say one thing....2290! If you spend 2k on your amp spend 2k on your effects. Once you put a 2290 in the loop...game over!

What do you do about modulation effects which should be up front? I like using pedals, not rack so I just try to buy top pedals like TC Electronics or other top shelf makers.

Just a heads up to everyone. TC announced the "2290 in a pedal" at Summer NAMM. Its called Nova Delay. $250. It may be replacing my DD-20 if its all it claims to be.

-Matt
That looks like a killer pedal!
 
richedie":cb2c3 said:
So do TC pedals use a +4 output? If so, I'll look at TC pedals. What about the TC Vintage Delay pedal? Why create the 2290 pedal if they already have a delay pedal? Any links to info on that new pedal?
Looks like this new nova can be calibrated :thumbsup:
 
EWSEthan":d17b4 said:
Just a heads up to everyone. TC announced the "2290 in a pedal" at Summer NAMM. Its called Nova Delay. $250. It may be replacing my DD-20 if its all it claims to be.
That’s exciting! I’ll have to look for that one.

After our session in the sound room today..Frank and myself...Let me say one thing....2290! If you spend 2k on your amp spend 2k on your effects. Once you put a 2290 in the loop...game over!
I’m sure it sounded amazing. Did you guys have it running through two MOD50s in stereo?

If you’re going to spend 2k on a TC 2290 you would have to have two MOD50s to get the most out of it! ;)

Alas, the point of this thread was for regularly gigging musicians trying to simplify their rig and not having to carry around a rack in addition to their floorboard. For me, all I need is one good reverb and 3 variations of delay w/tap tempo and to have the ability to turn the delay on when I go to my solo channel on my amp with a single stomp.
If you spend 2k on your amp spend 2k on your effects.
That’s not an entirely fair statement; I get the message but if a descent sounding effect meets my criteria and has the ability to pass a 100% wet signal, why would it be taboo to run it in a MOD50 parallel loop?
That’s sort of like:
bruce egnater":d17b4 said:
If an amp sounded great but used diodes would that make it not sound as great?
:LOL: :LOL:
Still I would be interested in a pedal version of the 2290 and possibly have Bruce add a spring reverb to my amp. I understand Bruce does this mod, how does the reverb sound? How much is the mod?

BTW, Jeff, I just sent Frank that UXL mod to exchange for a COD. Could you give that one a try at your next sound room jam and compare it to the new X module? I’m curious because based on the reviews from everyone, I think I would like the MHG or the new X one. I just didn’t dig the UXL for some reason. If you can let me know.

Marco
 
Marco, how do you turn on your delay and solo channel with one switch? True bypass box?

I agree on not needing expensive effects. As long as they sound good and do not kill your tone, who cares. :) I don't use effects often other than some clean and leads so I won't spend 2k. ;) Also, I only want to carry the head, cab and pedalboard.
How do you know if an effect has the ability to pass a sounding effect meets my criteria and has the ability to pass a % wet signal? Would any +4 pedal in the loop do this?

I like that diode quote from Bruce. I have an amp (H&K SB) that uses clipping diodes (I assume all diodes are SS?) and still sounds great. Lots of Marshalls do this, especially newer models.
 
richedie":8e10c said:
Marco, how do you turn on your delay and solo channel with one switch? True bypass box?
No. The DD-20 has an ext. jack that you can connect any momentary type footswitch or switching device. You can then use the external pedal/switcher to turn the effect On/Off, Switch the 4 memory options or use Tap Tempo.

Thats what I'm using the midi octopus for; when I press channel 4 on my footswitch, the octopus connected via midi through the amp, switches the delay on. pressing any of the other channels switches it back off.

You can connect up to 8 devices that use momentary type switching and program 128 presets. They don't make them any more but you may find one on ebay. It only takes half a rack space and can fit on your floorboard. Ampgizmo makes a similar device. Its really overkill for how I'm using it...

As far as effects that are worthy, thats subjective but you should just check the specs and make sure it does +4 input, allow you to have a 100% wet mix and do everything you need it to do.

Marco
 
Thanks for the info. I have checked the specs on many sites and none of the pedal specs talk about whether or not it has +4 and allows 100% wet mix.

I want that new TC delay pedal but again the specs say nothing about that.

For the Axxess gear, wouldn't I need a midi pedal or will the Egnater pedal suffice?
 
richedie":2ed0a said:
Thanks for the info. I have checked the specs on many sites and none of the pedal specs talk about whether or not it has +4 and allows 100% wet mix.

I want that new TC delay pedal but again the specs say nothing about that.

For the Axxess gear, wouldn't I need a midi pedal or will the Egnater pedal suffice?

DD-20 works perfectly in the MOD 50 loop when set for +4db input mode. TC Nova Delay is a 2290 rack device on the floor (at least supposedly). It should also work in the loop. There is an input calibration you do with it to set it up and Im pretty sure I read that it can handle up to +16db(!). I'll know on Tuesday when mine arrives and it goes head to head with DD-20!

-Matt
 
donbarzini":e5bd3 said:
My TC Nova Delay should be here today or Monday, I'm using the Eventide Timefactor in the parallel loop of the MOD50 right now, sounds pretty damn good :thumbsup:
Would love to hear your thoughts in an A/B test on those 2 :thumbsup:
 
Thanks, let us know!

By the way, my Mod 50 arrived today. I need some time alone with it where I can turn her up and give her a good run.
 
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