Vernon Reid left ESP because

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Well, you can't use the word "mob", or some old Italian guys might be offended.
( And you will get a baseball bat to the kneecaps. )

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We have a few people here that can't quite count to potato.....
 
Marykelly":2fcpjjte said:
Sick Squid":2fcpjjte said:
Politics and Vernon's playing aside (I have been a Living Colour fan since the get go)
the point of the post was his interpretation of the term 'lynch mob' and relating it specifically to race.
That is not the origin of the term and not the definition, although it has evolved in the US to be primarily used for lynchings in the era of slavery.
Looking past it being a group centred on a guy called Lynch, is spoiling for a fight. He is creating a racial issue when there wasn't one there to begin with.
Vernon likes to punt his opinions on race relations and is often interviewed from that angle.
He could do with backing off a bit and allowing a two way communication instead of his combative in-your-face approach.
Stick to the guitar, Vernon. Make your points in your songs if you must.

The notion that lynchings are an artifact of Jim Crow era America is extremely revisionist. There are still lynchings to this day in the south. They may look different but the motivation and result is the same.

You cant get away with calling your band that has been primarily white guys with almost universally white fans (glam rock, hair metal, whatever is overwhelmingly white) Lynch Mob and not catch some shade for it from prominent black musicians in the same scene. Trying to say the guy's name makes it OK is similar to folks saying its OK to use a swastika because it was originally a peaceful symbol. Once there is cultural awareness of oppression associated with a symbol or word, having a last name doesn't make it cool to double down on the reference and literally name your band after a racist crowd of vigilantes. Maybe it wasn't a big deal in 1989, but it should be one now. Plenty of bands have changed their names from much less polarizing terms in the last few years and become more successful by acknowledging the move. Lynch should take note.
That might be the most estrogen-laden post that I've ever seen on this site. :gay:
 
Problem is, if he wanted to change the name, he still can't change his last name and why shouldn't he call the name of his band after his own name? Regardless of what he changes it to, Lynch is still the central focus: lynch crew, lynch party, lynched etc... Vernon Reid is a bit of a cry baby and I agree with the post on his rat's nest gear setup. Never has a guy gone through so many lengths to over complicate his rig just to have shit tone. He also is a HORRIBLE lead guitar player.
 
Marykelly":2zkehol2 said:
Sick Squid":2zkehol2 said:
Politics and Vernon's playing aside (I have been a Living Colour fan since the get go)
the point of the post was his interpretation of the term 'lynch mob' and relating it specifically to race.
That is not the origin of the term and not the definition, although it has evolved in the US to be primarily used for lynchings in the era of slavery.
Looking past it being a group centred on a guy called Lynch, is spoiling for a fight. He is creating a racial issue when there wasn't one there to begin with.
Vernon likes to punt his opinions on race relations and is often interviewed from that angle.
He could do with backing off a bit and allowing a two way communication instead of his combative in-your-face approach.
Stick to the guitar, Vernon. Make your points in your songs if you must.

The notion that lynchings are an artifact of Jim Crow era America is extremely revisionist. There are still lynchings to this day in the south. They may look different but the motivation and result is the same.

You cant get away with calling your band that has been primarily white guys with almost universally white fans (glam rock, hair metal, whatever is overwhelmingly white) Lynch Mob and not catch some shade for it from prominent black musicians in the same scene. Trying to say the guy's name makes it OK is similar to folks saying its OK to use a swastika because it was originally a peaceful symbol. Once there is cultural awareness of oppression associated with a symbol or word, having a last name doesn't make it cool to double down on the reference and literally name your band after a racist crowd of vigilantes. Maybe it wasn't a big deal in 1989, but it should be one now. Plenty of bands have changed their names from much less polarizing terms in the last few years and become more successful by acknowledging the move. Lynch should take note.
The origin of the term "Lynch mob" has nothing at all to do with racists hanging black people. George Lynch can call his band what ever the fuck he likes, and any "shade" he may catch would be unwarranted. Shit posts like yours are what happens when people believe everything they are told instead of taking the time to actually learn things themselves .I have lived many places, and there are no more racist in the south than there are in California, and everywhere else in this country, or the rest of the world.
 
He should change the name to George Group.

But then people would think he's a financial planner or something.
 
errrrrl":1vi76myx said:
messenger":1vi76myx said:
This is what I think of when I think of a lynch mob
I never even thought about how lynch mob could be interpreted that way... but after doing a quick google image search for "lynch mob" and yeah I guess that is how many would see it...

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en....7.0....0...1.1.64.img..4.7.907.0.vORsFU_Y9wg

And i'm definitely for keeping politics away from RT :thumbsup:
Me either. There are lots of things that I'm insensitive about, they just don't even cross my mind. But for minorities, racism/matters of race are right in the middle of the radar screen. It's part of your every day existence. I think the phrase; "You're white, you wouldn't understand." is pretty damn accurate sometimes.

But the flip side is that in some cases, if you are offended by words then it's only because you CHOOSE to be offended. Not because the words themselves are intrinsically offensive.
 
SpiderWars":17nygkyu said:
errrrrl":17nygkyu said:
messenger":17nygkyu said:
This is what I think of when I think of a lynch mob
I never even thought about how lynch mob could be interpreted that way... but after doing a quick google image search for "lynch mob" and yeah I guess that is how many would see it...

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en....7.0....0...1.1.64.img..4.7.907.0.vORsFU_Y9wg

And i'm definitely for keeping politics away from RT :thumbsup:
Me either. There are lots of things that I'm insensitive about, they just don't even cross my mind. But for minorities, racism/matters of race are right in the middle of the radar screen. It's part of your every day existence. I think the phrase; "You're white, you wouldn't understand." is pretty damn accurate sometimes.

But the flip side is that in some cases, if you are offended by words then it's only because you CHOOSE to be offended. Not because the words themselves are intrinsically offensive.

One other thing to think about is that a "lynch mob" to non americans also conjures images of a mob of people descending upon a person or place outside of the law for a multitude of reasons: they were "confirmed" as a witch, oppression, a town pedophile etc.. it isn't actually confined to just the KKK hanging other ethnicities off of trees. I never even thought of it that way until this thread. To me the idea of lynching is broader in scope and I can say that sincerely. When I think of actual ethnic hanging, I think exclusively of the KKK, not a "Lynch Mob". That said, I am also not a visible minority and have learned that even though we say " that shouldn't offend", we have to be aware that it might well offend. You have to respect/understand that. In this case, Vernon packed up his shit and left ESP. Life goes on, Lynch keeps a cool name for his band.
 
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