VH4 first impressions for those interested (with p90s)

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Precursory stuff (skip ahead for the review):

So I went into the Seattle GC today in looking to demo the new Gibson 60's tribute line stuff (Absolute garbage guitars btw). I was looking for a guitar under a grand with p90s. Ended up finding a beautiful PRS standard single cut soapbar (charcoal) for a good price and decided to give it a spin. There was a VH4 head on the floor just sitting there. It wasn't hooked up to a cab and was in quite the arbitrary spot. It was like it teleported there to do battle with me. At least that is my take on it. I've always been a die hard Bogner fan (Before today I had been saving literally every penny I could to grab up a Goldfinger head) and I always wanted to hate Diezel. The pictures online made them seem sort of awkward or "off" to me aesthetically. Hordes of video clips of guys playing shrilly shred mayhem through their phone mics -- it all painted in my head this terrible, overpriced picture of what it might be like to play one. It was gaudy, ridiculous, for EMG swappers with douchy "look at me" ground control rigs only. But, it was none of those things.

The review:

Aesthetically, the head is gorgeous. The construction quality is otherworldly. I liked how the colors worked to really make the Diezel script explode in your face. It isn't so flashy or... "look at me" so much as it says "worship me, mortals!"
The knob layout looks intimidating in photos but standing in front of it and actually going through the act of dialing it in, it is the single most intuitive amp I have ever played. I really dig how they made the channel switching the press of a very obvious but not obnoxious button. The head was plugged into a stock Mesa 4x12 cab. No effects, just PRS>P90s>cable>VH4.


Channel 1:
I started out with a basic clean tone, bright switch disengaged. The pick attack is brilliant. Neck pickup reminds of the Shiva 20th a bit. Bridge pickup has almost a piezo sound when you take the mids below noon, except it's much better than a piezo sound IMO. I pushed the gain to about 2 o' clock and engaged the bright switch. Glorious tones. was able to get great clarity with complex chords no matter how much i dug in with the pick. Reminded me at times of the lower gain stuff on the Ecstasy blue channel but more useable. I spent less time on this channel than I should have but it was definitely impressive. I'm still in love with the Goldfinger's clean sounds but I'd say the Diezel has much more to offer in terms of versatility within just that channel.

Channel 2:
I worked through the gain stages. This channel nails The Darkness with the gain set around noon. I fiddled about with the presence and deep knobs and was able to achieve a plethora of usable mid gain tones. Moving between the bridge and neck PUs I could really shape the sound of the guitar. Once again, breathtaking clarity with the more complex chords. The bright switch is noticeable and works just as it should.

Channel 3:
Everyone talks about this one and it isn't for nothing. Gain stage moves from classic to saturated in a hurry. Think Orange Rockerverb 50 on steroids. Sounds like Mastodon around noon, past that and it gets more and more serious sounding. Takes standard tuning quite well. For high gain I like this a lot better than the Uberschall. Less stuffy. I haven't tried a Herbert but this is some serious business.

Channel 4:
I found this channel to be quite unique. With the gain below 12 o' clock chording sounds amazing. Pushing the gain makes chords a little blurry, but jesus christ the capacity for evil, soaring leads is here in spades. Single note lines sustain and wobble like a pseudo wah pedal. I've never experienced this on any amp. Despite the over the top gain the clarity remains intact. I wrote a lead line a few months back for a track. The line involves alternating between open string picking and legato bits. the open notes were always fizzy and unclear when played up to speed on anything but the acoustic it was created on. This amp allows for it where the 101B, 20th Shiva and Mark V would not. Blew me away.

Impression:
Something I will note about this amp is that it is the only amp sans reverb that has really impressed me. It sounds like it doesn't need it. Everything breathes in a way that is just "HI DEF" if you will. For the brief time that I was able to play this amp I felt empowered. Original riffs sounded polished and refined, but not sterile in any way. The amp is joyfully simple to use, chock full of raw power and surreal tone. I wanted to dismiss it because of the price but I just can't. Thanks Peter for making this beautiful machine!



Picture via GC:

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Great and unique sounding amp. I bought a Herbert not long ago and considered selling the VH4, but I can't do it.

As to your question about comparison; each of the Herbert and VH4 have their strengths and (admittedly, very limited) weaknesses, but both sound like a Diezel and nothing else. The Herbert is more forgiving, has more 'give' and certainly more deep, huge, bassy power than the VH4 (imo, Ch. 2+ and 3 on the Herbert are the best high gain tones I have ever heard for metal). However, the VH4 Ch. 3 just absolutely destroys - it's so versatile, responsive, allows for phenomenal pick attack...it's just brilliant. I can't bring myself to sell either! :lol: :LOL:

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Rezamatix":1ok1unlg said:
Well, I for one am stoked that you got to have that experience...the question is...why didn't you buy the Vh4?! It's guitar center dude! You buy it on their credit, 12 months no interest! Min payment monthly is like $15. You could have owned it and paid it off by the time the Gc card reached 12 months! Geez sometimes they do 18 months no interest!

It's an amazing amplifier and is worth it. I have a Hagen on order, but I will never sell the vh4.

They rejected my application back when I applied. I don't understand why either. If you wanna buy it for me on your card I'll pay you instead, haha. I've been following you on youtube for a while now. I didn't realize it was you until I saw the music video in your sig. Awesome track btw! Let me know how the Hagen works for you.
 
spirit7":2muttya4 said:
Great and unique sounding amp. I bought a Herbert not long ago and considered selling the VH4, but I can't do it.

As to your question about comparison; each of the Herbert and VH4 have their strengths and (admittedly, very limited) weaknesses, but both sound like a Diezel and nothing else. The Herbert is more forgiving, has more 'give' and certainly more deep, huge, bassy power than the VH4 (imo, Ch. 2+ and 3 on the Herbert are the best high gain tones I have ever heard for metal). However, the VH4 Ch. 3 just absolutely destroys - it's so versatile, responsive, allows for phenomenal pick attack...it's just brilliant. I can't bring myself to sell either! :lol: :LOL:

C

It's nuts to think about something that could rival what I heard today. I really enjoyed the musikschmidt demo of the herbert. I doubt I will find one around here to test out. On the other hand, I've seen multiple VH4s on the seattle craigslist alone (of all places). Seems to be a lot more of them floating around which is strange to me. Thank you for the response.
 
SonicPulverizer":m2x2xdf1 said:
Precursory stuff (skip ahead for the review):

So I went into the Seattle GC today in Westlake looking to demo the new Gibson 60's tribute line stuff (Absolute garbage guitars btw). I was looking for a guitar under a grand with p90s. Ended up finding a beautiful PRS standard single cut soapbar (charcoal) for a good price and decided to give it a spin.

SonicPulverizer":m2x2xdf1 said:
It was like it teleported there to do battle with me... and I always wanted to hate Diezel. The pictures online made them seem sort of awkward or "off" to me aesthetically. Hordes of video clips of guys playing shrilly shred mayhem through their phone mics -- it all painted in my head this terrible, overpriced picture of what it might be like to play one. It was gaudy, ridiculous, for EMG swappers with douchy "look at me" ground control rigs only. But, it was none of those things.

HAHAHAHA i love the mental image you've drawn by 'teleporting it' for battle. That same feeling has occurred to me many a time at GC - some random gem is just slapped somewhere on the floor, waiting for King Arthur to try to withdraw the sword from the stone in a way lol. I also feel ya on the aesthetic on Diezels - they're not the prettiest amps, and due to the aesthetics, you prejudge it to be for a certain demographic. And yes, that demographic does exist (no offense to those who fall in that bracket). However, in the line of work musicians are involved in, looks aren't what it's always about.

But I'm glad to see that you fall into the demographic who avoids EMGs and spiked codpieces. Single coils are very unspoken for round these parts, but those who have yet to understand the girth of such pickups like the P90 or a Tele's bridge pickup are unblissfully ignorant! Personally, they convey much more attitude than resigning playing technique to humbuckers. Played right, I can cop enough JonesTones with my Gibson SG Classic's Bridge P90 or my Telecaster's bridge pickup! It's all about how you play in the end, and I feel like Single coils elicit much more of an unadulterated representation of the player and the guitar. The only humbuckers i've really loved were stock Gibsons that were in a Historic '60s Les Paul RI. They werent tubby, like my PRS Standard 24 was (a sad day it was, hearing how undefined my first American made guitar sounded through the Genelecs and the NS10s), but they had the perfect amount of single coil 'jangle/bubbliness' tone to double stop runs and chords (think Hendrix's "Little Wing"intro - the guitar tone sounds like there is some 'flutiness' in the low mids, especially noticeable during the doublestops on the 12th fret) and typical humbucker kerrang. Beautiful tone!

anyway /pointless rant, dig the Diezel man, they're totally worth the patience and investment!
 
MrNixon":1qs8skk2 said:
SonicPulverizer":1qs8skk2 said:
Precursory stuff (skip ahead for the review):

So I went into the Seattle GC today in Westlake looking to demo the new Gibson 60's tribute line stuff (Absolute garbage guitars btw). I was looking for a guitar under a grand with p90s. Ended up finding a beautiful PRS standard single cut soapbar (charcoal) for a good price and decided to give it a spin.

SonicPulverizer":1qs8skk2 said:
It was like it teleported there to do battle with me... and I always wanted to hate Diezel. The pictures online made them seem sort of awkward or "off" to me aesthetically. Hordes of video clips of guys playing shrilly shred mayhem through their phone mics -- it all painted in my head this terrible, overpriced picture of what it might be like to play one. It was gaudy, ridiculous, for EMG swappers with douchy "look at me" ground control rigs only. But, it was none of those things.

HAHAHAHA i love the mental image you've drawn by 'teleporting it' for battle. That same feeling has occurred to me many a time at GC - some random gem is just slapped somewhere on the floor, waiting for King Arthur to try to withdraw the sword from the stone in a way lol. I also feel ya on the aesthetic on Diezels - they're not the prettiest amps, and due to the aesthetics, you prejudge it to be for a certain demographic. And yes, that demographic does exist (no offense to those who fall in that bracket). However, in the line of work musicians are involved in, looks aren't what it's always about.

But I'm glad to see that you fall into the demographic who avoids EMGs and spiked codpieces. Single coils are very unspoken for round these parts, but those who have yet to understand the girth of such pickups like the P90 or a Tele's bridge pickup are unblissfully ignorant! Personally, they convey much more attitude than resigning playing technique to humbuckers. Played right, I can cop enough JonesTones with my Gibson SG Classic's Bridge P90 or my Telecaster's bridge pickup! It's all about how you play in the end, and I feel like Single coils elicit much more of an unadulterated representation of the player and the guitar. The only humbuckers i've really loved were stock Gibsons that were in a Historic '60s Les Paul RI. They werent tubby, like my PRS Standard 24 was (a sad day it was, hearing how undefined my first American made guitar sounded through the Genelecs and the NS10s), but they had the perfect amount of single coil 'jangle/bubbliness' tone to double stop runs and chords (think Hendrix's "Little Wing"intro - the guitar tone sounds like there is some 'flutiness' in the low mids, especially noticeable during the doublestops on the 12th fret) and typical humbucker kerrang. Beautiful tone!

anyway /pointless rant, dig the Diezel man, they're totally worth the patience and investment!

I actually wasn't to keen on the p90s. I am a confessed lover of all things les paul, but Gibson quality is so whacked out it's impossible for me to buy in good faith. My number one for the longest time was a 2007 les paul premium plus in root beer. I found it in a george's music (10x worse than any GC-- and i already hold GC in contempt) in Florida and right off of the wall played like it was conjuring black magic. Along that same token, I played two les paul customs yesterday, one brand new and one used from the 90s. Both played horribly and sounded off. I've also played leagues of LP standards that were just hit or miss. I love them to the grave but I just cant put up with it any longer. If I pay over a grand for a guitar I expect it to either play like it should or at least squeeze me some orange juice otherwise and I don't think that is too much to ask.

That said, the p90s really surprised me. I just went through another thread just now about how lower output pickups seem to sound more pleasant on the vh4. So perhaps that is part of it. It was just so rad though hearing the attitude that prs put out.
When I pulled back on the reigns (gain below 12:30) it sounded so gristly and pissed off. Think Mastodon's Motherpuncher. but when the gain went past that threshold it really smoothed out and the pickups sounded just like any burstbucker I've played.

Here is a shot of the model guitar I demo'd/put on layaway:

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P90s are stock seymour duncan I do believe. Thanks for the reply man. I geek out about this stuff 24/7. Rants are always welcome to me.
 
classy PRS man - I was a previous owner of a Standard 24 (small heel), and while it was a wonderful guitar to woodshed on when i was younger, it really got to me how much more defined and badass the Telecaster my dad xmas-gifted me sounds. The Humbuckers just sounded less huge and more muddy. I've always said that once I had experienced P90s, they delivered the tone i had always expected out of Humbuckers. And the 'INCESSANT NOISE' that most noobs talk about really isnt as horrible as they make it out to be... chances are those same noobs dont take their gear out of their bedroom, or they're the same noobs that go to GC and spend hours playing instruments but never buying them; there fore never experiencing different locations and different power circuits.

That said, i forgot to let you know that Gibsons defnitely are hit and miss these days - so much product gets put out that more 'satisfactory' guitars get put out than 'excellent' guitars. It took me a while, but once i saw my SG Classic at GC, i immediately had it put aside and traded my PRS in for it, no regrets.

Totally diggin the Singlecut you chose though - pickups, finish and all, that guitar looks like it'll keep you smiling for years to come! Is it an SE? I dont believe PRS makes Standard Singlecuts any longer :confused:
 
MrNixon":35fswnwi said:
classy PRS man - I was a previous owner of a Standard 24 (small heel), and while it was a wonderful guitar to woodshed on when i was younger, it really got to me how much more defined and badass the Telecaster my dad xmas-gifted me sounds. The Humbuckers just sounded less huge and more muddy. I've always said that once I had experienced P90s, they delivered the tone i had always expected out of Humbuckers. And the 'INCESSANT NOISE' that most noobs talk about really isnt as horrible as they make it out to be... chances are those same noobs dont take their gear out of their bedroom, or they're the same noobs that go to GC and spend hours playing instruments but never buying them; there fore never experiencing different locations and different power circuits.

That said, i forgot to let you know that Gibsons defnitely are hit and miss these days - so much product gets put out that more 'satisfactory' guitars get put out than 'excellent' guitars. It took me a while, but once i saw my SG Classic at GC, i immediately had it put aside and traded my PRS in for it, no regrets.

Totally diggin the Singlecut you chose though - pickups, finish and all, that guitar looks like it'll keep you smiling for years to come! Is it an SE? I dont believe PRS makes Standard Singlecuts any longer :confused:

Awesome, I take it you are enjoying the sg then? I heard p90s were supposed to be loud but I didn't hear any extra noise than usual. Being my first hands on with them I assumed the noise would be present. It's a PRS standard single cut soapbar from 2007. Discontinued. I tried finding them online but couldn't-- had to throw money down to keep this one safe. I've seen posts on forums of guys selling them for 1999 or so. Got mine for around 1200 because it had some battle scars.
 
SonicPulverizer":2syppsju said:
Precursory stuff (skip ahead for the review):

So I went into the Seattle GC today in Westlake looking to demo the new Gibson 60's tribute line stuff (Absolute garbage guitars btw). I was looking for a guitar under a grand with p90s. Ended up finding a beautiful PRS standard single cut soapbar (charcoal) for a good price and decided to give it a spin. With guitar in hand, my original idea was to go straight for the Mark V I knew they had in stock. Being a previous owner I felt most comfortable with it. Unfortunately the amp was dead and I was forced to play through a mesa express amp. I was getting decent sounds but it lacked the rich thick tone I'm accustomed to with Bogners and Mark series amps. When you really get obsessed with amplifiers as I am-- you can try and try your damnedest to appreciate a "reasonable" ... "practical" amplifier but it just wont do. When you've "experienced" legit tone, it literally haunts you. Especially when you are a frugal, low income bracket type like yours truly. The more I played the express the more boring it became. I wanted to like the amp. I wanted to like the Gibsons for the price, but it will never happen. I was very sad. I left the iso room to go check out some Taylors in their acoustic selection. When I came back I literally gasped. There was a VH4 head on the floor just sitting there. It wasn't hooked up to a cab and was in quite the arbitrary spot. It was like it teleported there to do battle with me. At least that is my take on it. I'm not going to deny it, I've always been a die hard Bogner fan (Before today I had been saving literally every penny I could to grab up a Goldfinger head) and I always wanted to hate Diezel. The pictures online made them seem sort of awkward or "off" to me aesthetically. Hordes of video clips of guys playing shrilly shred mayhem through their phone mics -- it all painted in my head this terrible, overpriced picture of what it might be like to play one. It was gaudy, ridiculous, for EMG swappers with douchy "look at me" ground control rigs only. But, it was none of those things.

The review:

Aesthetically, the head is gorgeous. The construction quality is otherworldly. I liked how the colors worked to really make the Diezel script explode in your face. It isn't so flashy or... "look at me" so much as it says "worship me, mortals!"
The knob layout looks intimidating in photos but standing in front of it and actually going through the act of dialing it in, it is the single most intuitive amp I have ever played. I really dig how they made the channel switching the press of a very obvious but not obnoxious button. The head was plugged into a stock Mesa 4x12 cab. No effects, just PRS>P90s>cable>VH4.


Channel 1:
I started out with a basic clean tone, bright switch disengaged. The pick attack is brilliant. Neck pickup reminds of the Shiva 20th a bit. Bridge pickup has almost a piezo sound when you take the mids below noon, except it's much better than a piezo sound IMO. I pushed the gain to about 2 o' clock and engaged the bright switch. Glorious tones. was able to get great clarity with complex chords no matter how much i dug in with the pick. Reminded me at times of the lower gain stuff on the Ecstasy blue channel but more useable. I spent less time on this channel than I should have but it was definitely impressive. I'm still in love with the Goldfinger's clean sounds but I'd say the Diezel has much more to offer in terms of versatility within just that channel.

Channel 2:
I worked through the gain stages. This channel nails The Darkness with the gain set around noon. I fiddled about with the presence and deep knobs and was able to achieve a plethora of usable mid gain tones. Moving between the bridge and neck PUs I could really shape the sound of the guitar. Once again, breathtaking clarity with the more complex chords. The bright switch is noticeable and works just as it should.

Channel 3:
Everyone talks about this one and it isn't for nothing. Gain stage moves from classic to saturated in a hurry. Think Orange Rockerverb 50 on steroids. Sounds like Mastodon around noon, past that and it gets more and more serious sounding. Takes standard tuning quite well. For high gain I like this a lot better than the Uberschall. Less stuffy. I haven't tried a Herbert but this is some serious business.

Channel 4:
I found this channel to be quite unique. With the gain below 12 o' clock chording sounds amazing. Pushing the gain makes chords a little blurry, but jesus christ the capacity for evil, soaring leads is here in spades. Single note lines sustain and wobble like a pseudo wah pedal. I've never experienced this on any amp. Despite the over the top gain the clarity remains intact. I wrote a lead line a few months back for a track. The line involves alternating between open string picking and legato bits. the open notes were always fizzy and unclear when played up to speed on anything but the acoustic it was created on. This amp allows for it where the 101B, 20th Shiva and Mark V would not. Blew me away.

Impression:
Something I will note about this amp is that it is the only amp sans reverb that has really impressed me. It sounds like it doesn't need it. Everything breathes in a way that is just "HI DEF" if you will. For the brief time that I was able to play this amp I felt empowered. Original riffs sounded polished and refined, but not sterile in any way. The amp is joyfully simple to use, chock full of raw power and surreal tone. I wanted to dismiss it because of the price but I just can't.


Sounded great on everything. I do not test amps with biases on generic traits like how well it can do van halen tones or ac/dc's back in black nor do I try to replicate yngwie style shredding over a 5 minute youtube clip. I focus very objectively on how recordable and usable an amp is over a variety of tones that are applicable to contemporary music styles. So trust me when I say that the vh4 can do just about anything you want tonally. From Warren Haynes blues to Coheed and Cambria's No World for Tomorrow. you got it.


I never suspected it but I'm not buying the Goldfinger anymore. It will take many months of eating bread and water but I will not compromise. A VH4 is what I'm aiming for now, no matter how long it takes. I am very curious now as to how the Herbert or Hagen sounds compared to this. If anyone could chime in please do. But as it stands, the VH4 is at the tippy top for me. Thanks Peter for making this beautiful machine!



Picture via GC:

106592751_lg.jpg

Thanks for the review
 
SonicPulverizer":1fcqofnp said:
Something I will note about this amp is that it is the only amp sans reverb that has really impressed me.

This is so very true for all Diezel Models
 
Went back to GC today and got the PRS. Took the gal along, and got some HD footage of the vh4 with it. Will be posting it up shortly.
 
Mate, stunning PRS. Beautiful, gas has been going through the roof for one lately, between watching my Opeth DVD's and general ebay trawling. Dangerous.

Get yourself that VH4 stat! *cough cough* sell the orange and triple rect to fund it *cough* :D :D
 
Diezels absolutely rock dude!!!! I am eager to hear the Hagen.

I don't know what music you play but for classic rock tones you got a lot of other Diezels that can nail those sounds better than the VH4.

For me the Einstein is a rock / hard rock machine!
 
Nico":2925d2ve said:
Diezels absolutely rock dude!!!! I am eager to hear the Hagen.

I don't know what music you play but for classic rock tones you got a lot of other Diezels that can nail those sounds better than the VH4.

For me the Einstein is a rock / hard rock machine!


Absolutely. The einstein clips I've heard are pretty sick in that regard. Haven't had the chance to test one unfortunately.
 
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