VH4paul
Member
Hi guys, d'you think I could try this with my VH4? Are there any risks for my amp if I run it this way?
Ventura
Well-known member
Seems as though it could and should.
Check out Two Notes gear for the real deal:
http://www.two-notes.com/en/hardware/torpedo-vb-101/
Mo
Check out Two Notes gear for the real deal:
http://www.two-notes.com/en/hardware/torpedo-vb-101/
Mo
ProgFree
New member
To record silent you can go via 1 of 2 ways:
1) Take the signal from the pre and apply impulses (as in the video). Redwirez provides different impedance curves for one to load in the impulse loader plugin before the cabinet impulse itself in order to resemble some of the "warmness" of the poweramp that you are nor getting by taking the signal from your amp's pre.
2) Like Ventura mentioned you can plug a load box to your amps speaker out and get the signal from there. (Papa says that this is not so good for the poweramp tubes).
Though using this method I think that is more practical to get the signal without processing (i.e. cabinet simulation) to your daw and apply impulses later.
Sorry to disagree but I don't see why the two notes is the real deal. In contrary I found it more limiting than taking an unprocessed signal to the DAW and use impulses latter. With this approach you have much more options after you recorded your signal, such as: using combinations of different microphones and cabinets for the different parts of a song etc. I also found the Two notes cabinet simulations kind of "hard" and boxy and not as "real" as the Redwirez or Ownhammer ones. Besides, you can find great impulses for free. Check the link below for example.
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewforum.php?f=32
Peace
1) Take the signal from the pre and apply impulses (as in the video). Redwirez provides different impedance curves for one to load in the impulse loader plugin before the cabinet impulse itself in order to resemble some of the "warmness" of the poweramp that you are nor getting by taking the signal from your amp's pre.
2) Like Ventura mentioned you can plug a load box to your amps speaker out and get the signal from there. (Papa says that this is not so good for the poweramp tubes).
Though using this method I think that is more practical to get the signal without processing (i.e. cabinet simulation) to your daw and apply impulses later.
Ventura":1hxbfzkv said:
Sorry to disagree but I don't see why the two notes is the real deal. In contrary I found it more limiting than taking an unprocessed signal to the DAW and use impulses latter. With this approach you have much more options after you recorded your signal, such as: using combinations of different microphones and cabinets for the different parts of a song etc. I also found the Two notes cabinet simulations kind of "hard" and boxy and not as "real" as the Redwirez or Ownhammer ones. Besides, you can find great impulses for free. Check the link below for example.
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewforum.php?f=32
Peace
S
shadow070
Active member
Using the effects out in to youre daw and applying impulses is the best way for silent recording, you can fine adjust anything after the recording. This gives so much posibilitys. I really like the two notes modern, but its cpu heavy. Def. take a look at the redwirez.
VH4paul
Member
Thanks guys, I was just wondering if the method shown in the video was safe for my amp...if it's ok, maybe I'll try sometimes in my late night sessions lol 
guillaume_pille
Active member
Hi ProgFreak, may I ask you the Two Notes product you tested to come to this conclusion ?
By the way, you can load any kind of impulse in the TN products.
Using the effect send is a good idea, but the result, depending on the effect loop design (there is no normalization regarding the FX loop, and impedance and level problems may occur), can be deceptive.
But the video shows a good "zero $" solution, and one should try it before spending more money.
SpicedMuffin
New member
also i believe Peter D. has approved the use of the two notes torpedo. I've been using a VB-101 for over a year now with no problems on my herbert
ProgFree
New member
guillaume_pille":3bnpmiyx said:Hi ProgFreak, may I ask you the Two Notes product you tested to come to this conclusion ?
By the way, you can load any kind of impulse in the TN products.
Hi Guillaume. I tried the Pi plugin (don't know which) at someones place and got me curious. Then I downloaded the Pi-free from your page (which has the same engine as the VB-101!?). I tried with my amps both through a dummy load and from the pre-amp out using your plugin's power amp simulation. My experience with the Pi-free was as I described above.
In the products you mention (where is possible to load external impulses) can one use several impulses in parallel? Lets say I wanted to use a 57 and a 121 in a cabinet. is this possible? Or does your software that comes with the product allows one to export mixes of cabs/mics to one impulse that can be used in the hardware?
Cheers
S
shadow070
Active member
For my personal taste, i liked the pi-modern sounds the best. There is a bug fix but i still have to see how the cpu reacts.
With the free version youre really limited, but the modern has so much to offer. The interface is really easy to use, just select a cab, or cabs and select a mic or mic's, place the mics to youre liking, set the mix between them and voila!
When using redwirez you have to manually go to the the folder(s), this is so time consuming, even when using the plugin they have to mix and match. I havent tried ownhammer, so i cant comment on that.
What i do, set the amps eq in a nutral position-> Record what i need-> use impulses to get the desired tone.
I record at home so impulses is the way to go. Even if i would gig now, id defenantly would check the torpedo hardware out, i guess its a bless for the guy at the mixing desk.
I tried micing and even with a isocab but it didnt give me the results i get with impulses.
Impulses how i see it:
With the 1 amp you have, you can get so many tones. All the cab, mic and mic position posibilitys really give you so much to work with. It made recording much easier.
With the free version youre really limited, but the modern has so much to offer. The interface is really easy to use, just select a cab, or cabs and select a mic or mic's, place the mics to youre liking, set the mix between them and voila!
When using redwirez you have to manually go to the the folder(s), this is so time consuming, even when using the plugin they have to mix and match. I havent tried ownhammer, so i cant comment on that.
What i do, set the amps eq in a nutral position-> Record what i need-> use impulses to get the desired tone.
I record at home so impulses is the way to go. Even if i would gig now, id defenantly would check the torpedo hardware out, i guess its a bless for the guy at the mixing desk.
I tried micing and even with a isocab but it didnt give me the results i get with impulses.
Impulses how i see it:
With the 1 amp you have, you can get so many tones. All the cab, mic and mic position posibilitys really give you so much to work with. It made recording much easier.
S
shadow070
Active member
For my personal taste, i liked the pi-modern sounds the best. There is a bug fix but i still have to see how the cpu reacts.
With the free version youre really limited, but the modern has so much to offer. The interface is really easy to use, just select a cab, or cabs and select a mic or mic's, place the mics to youre liking, set the mix between them and voila!
When using redwirez you have to manually go to the the folder(s), this is so time consuming, even when using the plugin they have to mix and match. (i really like the soldano impulses they have).
I havent tried ownhammer, so i cant comment on that.
What i do, set the amps eq in a nutral position-> Record what i need-> use impulses to get the desired tone.
I record at home so impulses is the way to go. Even if i would gig now, id defenantly would check the torpedo hardware out, i guess its a bless for the guy at the mixing desk.
I tried micing and even with a isocab but it didnt give me the results i get with impulses.
Impulses how i see it:
With the 1 amp you have, you can get so many tones. All the cab, mic and mic position posibilitys really give you so much to work with. It made recording much easier.
With the free version youre really limited, but the modern has so much to offer. The interface is really easy to use, just select a cab, or cabs and select a mic or mic's, place the mics to youre liking, set the mix between them and voila!
When using redwirez you have to manually go to the the folder(s), this is so time consuming, even when using the plugin they have to mix and match. (i really like the soldano impulses they have).
I havent tried ownhammer, so i cant comment on that.
What i do, set the amps eq in a nutral position-> Record what i need-> use impulses to get the desired tone.
I record at home so impulses is the way to go. Even if i would gig now, id defenantly would check the torpedo hardware out, i guess its a bless for the guy at the mixing desk.
I tried micing and even with a isocab but it didnt give me the results i get with impulses.
Impulses how i see it:
With the 1 amp you have, you can get so many tones. All the cab, mic and mic position posibilitys really give you so much to work with. It made recording much easier.
guillaume_pille
Active member
You can have up to 100 different power + cab + mic configurations so yes, using 2 different microphones on the same cab is definitively possible with the PI-101 WoS.
About hardware units: The VB-101 can handle 2 configurations at the same time (mix in mono), the VM-202 is stereo, and Live and C.A.B. 1 configuration.
The software can't export as a single IR the whole configuration but that is an interesting option.