VHT experts clx and classic

[hopkinWFG]

Yup thing is that i know that the clx evolved from the classic... but is there any difference out between this two ? have heard the classic does more gain than the clx and even the UL ... and its a little more saturated too... how true is it ? any guys whom played both would want to share his or her experiences here ?

lastly does the classic pittbull has the universal taps for the power tranny ? 117V and 240V

 

[benduncan]

Yup thing is that i know that the clx evolved from the classic... but is there any difference out between this two ? have heard the classic does more gain than the clx and even the UL ... and its a little more saturated too... how true is it ? any guys whom played both would want to share his or her experiences here ?

lastly does the classic pittbull has the universal taps for the power tranny ? 117V and 240V

I've never played through a CLX, but I've directly compared a UL with a CL and they seemed to have equal amounts of gain. I guess you could say that the CL has a bit more of a "saturated" tone because it has EL34's. KT88's have more of a tight/dry sound. Don't get me wrong, the CL isn't a rectifier, it's still dry

 

[hopkinWFG]

but a CL isnt a classic i guess... i have a 50CL that runs a rectifier and it does thicken the tone.. i am sure the UL and CLX has wider tone and gain control ? but a classic 100 being predecessor of the clx does have small differences ? does the classic being built in the 90s era has got more old school tone than the CLX ?

 

[benduncan]

I'm sorry. I shouldn't respond to posts just after waking up, with my phone while in bed. I think that the CLX has more gain, actually. Some say that the Classic has more of a modded Marshall tone, others say that they're almost identical. I hear that the CLX has better cleans. I think that the Classic has a 12AT7 before the PI rather than a 12AX7??? These are things I've only heard. Again, I haven't tried a Classic before. The CLX is mainly just the CLX with a different name. Apparently Peavey trademarked the name "Classic" so VHT/Fryette couldn't use the word anymore, which is ridiculous.

P.S. I'm not an expert, VHT or otherwise, but don't all of the Pittbulls have rectifiers? In fact, don't all amps?

 

[hopkinWFG]

yes haha sorry too i should have said tube rectification... yes all amps comes with AC to DC rectification before reaching the board... well yeah the 12AT7 ... i only have a 50CL .. am intrigued by their classic and the hundreds which is two KT88 at 100 watts.. these are hard to come by i guess... your post is of help too please dont be too critical over as just for the fun of it

 

[philnz]

Sorry I can't give you a definate answer on the Classic but John Christ used one on the Danzig albums & his solo album.
If they use the same transformers as the CL, then yes they have taps for both US & Euro voltage.

Oh benduncan is correct.
I've found the CL & UL have about equal levels of gain but since the CL has an EL34 power section there is a bit more satuaration, less dryness than the UL.
This gives the perseption of more gain, even though its on par with the UL.

 

[hopkinWFG]

i see... thanks for the input

 

[benduncan]

your post is of help too please dont be too critical over as just for the fun of it

 

[Kelly]

Try searching the fryette-user's forum. I'm not sure if there's much difference other than the name change, due to Peavey asking Fryette not to use it. The UL underwent changes in the PI section over the years. The CLX and UL have differences there, and those differences carried over to the Deliverance 120 and 60. The 120 has a 12ax7 and 12at7 in the PI (like the UL), the 60 simply has a 12ax7 (like the CLX).

 

[Greazygeo]

I had a Classic and UL and have spent time with the CLX....the Classic does not have as much gain as either of the others....the voicing is different too. The UL /CLX are more modern sounding.

 

[hopkinWFG]

I had a Classic and UL and have spent time with the CLX....the Classic does not have as much gain as either of the others....the voicing is different too. The UL /CLX are more modern sounding.

wow... thanks for populating this thread.... do you mind elaborate more on the voicing as you mentioned? the classic 100 does have more vintage tone to it as clx being more modern ?

the classic have all 6 x12ax7 sorry as there is no 12AT7 in it...

so i guess the classic should have more gain out of the CLX and the UL... UL uses 12AT7 which is less gain than 12A X7...

but wonder whats the tone like for a 12AT7 heard its interchangable...

should the classic have more gain typically as it uses 6 x 12AX7 ?

 

[hopkinWFG]

Try searching the fryette-user's forum. I'm not sure if there's much difference other than the name change, due to Peavey asking Fryette not to use it. The UL underwent changes in the PI section over the years. The CLX and UL have differences there, and those differences carried over to the Deliverance 120 and 60. The 120 has a 12ax7 and 12at7 in the PI (like the UL), the 60 simply has a 12ax7 (like the CLX).

yup your right... classic uses all 6 12ax7.... clx is uses 5 12ax7..
the ul uses 5 12ax7 & 1 12aT7 ... wonder whats the character of 12aT7..

 

[paulyc]

I had a Classic and played a LOT of ULs, never tried a CLX. The UL shits all over the classic...way more gain, saturation, and the graphic eq is golden. I will say that some of the ULs I played were shitty, maybe broken or in need of new tubes or something, but when they're right they're awesome. Sold my Classic quite a while ago and haven't regretted it at all. It was cool for a while though...

 

[Greazygeo]

I had a Classic and UL and have spent time with the CLX....the Classic does not have as much gain as either of the others....the voicing is different too. The UL /CLX are more modern sounding.

wow... thanks for populating this thread.... do you mind elaborate more on the voicing as you mentioned? the classic 100 does have more vintage tone to it as clx being more modern ?

the classic have all 6 x12ax7 sorry as there is no 12AT7 in it...

so i guess the classic should have more gain out of the CLX and the UL... UL uses 12AT7 which is less gain than 12A X7...

but wonder whats the tone like for a 12AT7 heard its interchangable...

should the classic have more gain typically as it uses 6 x 12AX7 ?

The 12at7 in the UL is part of the the phase inverter/ power section...it uses a 2 tube phase inverter, something like one tube does the splitting, with the other increasing the current to drive the power tubes.

The phase inverter is one of the big differences in the UL vs CLX.

The Classic does not have the gain/ bottom or attack of the CLX / UL. To me it was more in the Hiwatt camp, a little more gain than a 2203 but not much.

 

[hopkinWFG]

I had a Classic and UL and have spent time with the CLX....the Classic does not have as much gain as either of the others....the voicing is different too. The UL /CLX are more modern sounding.

wow... thanks for populating this thread.... do you mind elaborate more on the voicing as you mentioned? the classic 100 does have more vintage tone to it as clx being more modern ?

the classic have all 6 x12ax7 sorry as there is no 12AT7 in it...

so i guess the classic should have more gain out of the CLX and the UL... UL uses 12AT7 which is less gain than 12A X7...

but wonder whats the tone like for a 12AT7 heard its interchangable...

should the classic have more gain typically as it uses 6 x 12AX7 ?

The 12at7 in the UL is part of the the phase inverter/ power section...it uses a 2 tube phase inverter, something like one tube does the splitting, with the other increasing the current to drive the power tubes.

The phase inverter is one of the big differences in the UL vs CLX.

The Classic does not have the gain/ bottom or attack of the CLX / UL. To me it was more in the Hiwatt camp, a little more gain than a 2203 but not much.

Mmmm.... but that cant be it uses 6 12ax7 where clx only runs 5 ... funny how people also told me the classic is the metal amp... but has less gain and vibe ?

 

[bigangryguitar]

There are a lot of tpg threads on this.

 

[Greazygeo]

Mmmm.... but that cant be it uses 6 12ax7 where clx only runs 5 ... funny how people also told me the classic is the metal amp... but has less gain and vibe ?

well look at a Fender Twin, how many preamp tubes are in it? Not much gain there....compare that with an ADA MP1 with only two preamp tubes....tons of gain.

 

[bigangryguitar]

http://www.fryette-users.com/forums/sho ... -CLX/page2 TiT 34T

 

[benduncan]

TiT 34T

Haven't seen that bra size before.

 

[hopkinWFG]

TiT 34T

Haven't seen that bra size before.

.... thanks alot !