VHT/Fryette Pitbull UL vs Sig X

[DragonCrestPC]

It's easy to add compression and saturation with pedals. You can not remove compression and saturation with pedals.

There is lots of great amps .... Taste is always subjective. I don't think any of us only use one amp builder. I use amps by several builders. Fryette just happens to be my preference for highgain usually. I see all these amps as different tools. Using the right tool for the job. I would have a difficult time picking a single amp to do everything.

Agreed 100% good sir!

 

[Apex1Rg7X]

I'm looking for some suggestions. I recently acquired a Sig X after having one many years ago. I also owned a UL quite a few years back as well. First things first, I'm aware that some of the Fryette's can be picky to speaker choice so how do you guys feel about a 1x12 wgs12-65 loaded cab? That's what I currently have and don't feel its a great match. I'm not opposed to buying a 2x12 Fatbottom cab if necessary. Secondly, can some of you with Sig's share some of your settings? Especially if someone has a particular setting they like that can get close to the UL rhythm tone. The UL might be the amp I regret selling the most. Thanks for your input.

 

[RedB4Black]

I'm looking for some suggestions. I recently acquired a Sig X after having one many years ago. I also owned a UL quite a few years back as well. First things first, I'm aware that some of the Fryette's can be picky to speaker choice so how do you guys feel about a 1x12 wgs12-65 loaded cab? That's what I currently have and don't feel its a great match. I'm not opposed to buying a 2x12 Fatbottom cab if necessary. Secondly, can some of you with Sig's share some of your settings? Especially if someone has a particular setting they like that can get close to the UL rhythm tone. The UL might be the amp I regret selling the most. Thanks for your input.

Looks like you have a FB 212 listed in your signature.

Anyway. I always liked v30s with every Fryette/VHT I owned. A lot of people hate that combo though. I always hated the Fryette p50e speakers though. I have a new Fat Bottom 412 with the Fane speakers which are perfect for my UL. I had a Sig X and UL at the same time long ago and ended up selling the Sig X because I kept trying to make it sound like the UL and it wasn't cutting it. Still a great amp though.

 

[Apex1Rg7X]

I'm looking for some suggestions. I recently acquired a Sig X after having one many years ago. I also owned a UL quite a few years back as well. First things first, I'm aware that some of the Fryette's can be picky to speaker choice so how do you guys feel about a 1x12 wgs12-65 loaded cab? That's what I currently have and don't feel its a great match. I'm not opposed to buying a 2x12 Fatbottom cab if necessary. Secondly, can some of you with Sig's share some of your settings? Especially if someone has a particular setting they like that can get close to the UL rhythm tone. The UL might be the amp I regret selling the most. Thanks for your input.

Looks like you have a FB 212 listed in your signature.

Anyway. I always liked v30s with every Fryette/VHT I owned. A lot of people hate that combo though. I always hated the Fryette p50e speakers though. I have a new Fat Bottom 412 with the Fane speakers which are perfect for my UL. I had a Sig X and UL at the same time long ago and ended up selling the Sig X because I kept trying to make it sound like the UL and it wasn't cutting it. Still a great amp though.

Lol, I didn't even notice that but my signature is a bit outdated. I went on a brief hiatus and sold almost all of my gear and now am on my second Sig X. What is the noticeable difference between the Fanes and P50's?

 

[stephen sawall]

Here is a post from support awhile back....
"Customer has a Fifty/CL. Trades it in for a Sig:X. Likes it but misses some of the CL vibe - of course - 3 channels, 100W, KT88s, etc, etc...

Here's my shot at getting the Fifty/CL vibe happening on the Sig:

P.S. The Sig is definitely more "dense" in the low mids than the CL. Keeping the Bass low decreases the low end density while turning the Depth up enhances the CL low end resonance (speaker reaction). It may seem counter-intuitive...well, yeah, it is counter-intuitive. C'est la vie (all knob settings refer to the clock face hour hand

Rhyrhm Channel

“LIVE”
Gain I – 12
Gain II – 5
“BOOST”
‘MORE”
“40”
Master – 10
Treble – 1
Middle – 11
Bass – 12.30
Presence – 4:30
Depth - 3

Remember - clock face, not 1-10 "

 

[RedB4Black]

I'm looking for some suggestions. I recently acquired a Sig X after having one many years ago. I also owned a UL quite a few years back as well. First things first, I'm aware that some of the Fryette's can be picky to speaker choice so how do you guys feel about a 1x12 wgs12-65 loaded cab? That's what I currently have and don't feel its a great match. I'm not opposed to buying a 2x12 Fatbottom cab if necessary. Secondly, can some of you with Sig's share some of your settings? Especially if someone has a particular setting they like that can get close to the UL rhythm tone. The UL might be the amp I regret selling the most. Thanks for your input.

Looks like you have a FB 212 listed in your signature.

Anyway. I always liked v30s with every Fryette/VHT I owned. A lot of people hate that combo though. I always hated the Fryette p50e speakers though. I have a new Fat Bottom 412 with the Fane speakers which are perfect for my UL. I had a Sig X and UL at the same time long ago and ended up selling the Sig X because I kept trying to make it sound like the UL and it wasn't cutting it. Still a great amp though.

Lol, I didn't even notice that but my signature is a bit outdated. I went on a brief hiatus and sold almost all of my gear and now am on my second Sig X. What is the noticeable difference between the Fanes and P50's?

Huge difference IMO. The p50es always sounded like a hollow cardboard box to me. lol Probably why I always preferred v30s. The Fanes are much more musical sounding. They remind me of the creamback H75 - or at least what I like about those speakers.

 

[stephen sawall]

Here is the setting I was using with my last band. Using K85/K100 speakers...

Clean Channel:
Bloom or Brite
Norm
100W
Open
Volume - 10:00
Treb - 1:00
Mid - 10:00
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 1:00
Depth - 2:00

I basicly turn up the Volume till I get distortion and back it off a bit to keep it clean. I then can turn on the Boost to get some overdrive. The guitar volume is very usefull to get different amounts of distortion.
Often I back off the Treble and Presence a bit depending on the cab and guitar.

Crunch
(Notice how similar it is to the setting above)

Clean Channel:
Brite
Boost
40W
Fat
Volume - 11:00 ~ 2:00
Treb - 1:00
Mid - 10:00
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 1:00
Depth - 2:00

Heavy Crunch

Rhythm Channel:
Burn
Gain I - 3:00
Gain II - 5:00 / full
Boost On
More Mode
100W
Master - 9:00 ~ 10:00
Scoop
Treb - 3:00~4:00
Mid - 9:00 (or higher)
Bass - 3:00
Pres - 2:00 ~ 4:00
Depth - 2:00~4:00

1)From here I change both at the same time to *Live* and *Wood* for a different midrange voice.

2)Adjusting Gain I and the Midrange (8-11 or higher) on these settings and the Lead setting below.... Ton of control right here.

3)The Midrange is set low... But the Fryette amps have plenty of midrange .... Take my word for it - it's going to cut in the mix with the band. The other guy in my band is using a Marshall half stack very midrange heavy.

Lead ...

Lead Channel:
Blow
Gain I - 3:00
Gain II - 5:00 / full
Boost On
More Mode
40W ~ 100W
Master - 9:00 ~10:00
Wood
Treb - 3:00~4:00
Mid - 8:00 ~ 9:00 (or higher)
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 2:00 ~ 4:00
Depth - 3:00

Here is some settings I used a few years ago with V30, H30 and greenbacks...

O'clock....

Clean Channel:
Bloom
Norm
100W
Open
Volume - 10:00
Treb - 2:00
Mid - 10:00
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 2:00
Depth - 2:00

Clean Channel:
Brite
Boost
40W
Fat
Volume - 11:00 ~ 2:00
Treb - 2:00
Mid - 10:00
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 2:00
Depth - 2:00

Rhythm Channel:
Vintage
Gain I - 2:00
Gain II - 2:00
Boost On
Less Mode
40W
Master - 9:00 ~ 10:00
Scoop
Treb - 2:00
Mid - 2:00
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 2:00 ~ 4:00
Depth - 3:00

Rhythm Channel:
Live
Gain I - 2:00
Gain II - 2:00
Boost On
More Mode
100W
Master - 9:00 ~ 10:00
Wood
Treb - 2:00
Mid - 10:00 ~ 12:00
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 2:00 ~ 4:00
Depth - 3:00

Rhythm Channel:
Live
Gain I - 3:00
Gain II - 5:00
Boost On
More Mode
100W
Master - 9:00 ~ 10:00
Wood
Treb - 3:00
Mid - 9:00
Bass - 3:00
Pres - 2:00 ~ 4:00
Depth - 2:00

Lead Channel:
Brit
Gain I - 3:00
Gain II - NA
Boost Off
More Mode
40W ~ 100W
Master - 9:00 ~10:00
Wood
Treb - 2:00
Mid - 10:00 ~ 12:00
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 2:00 ~ 4:00
Depth - 3:00

Lead Channel:
Blow
Gain I - 3:00
Gain II - 3:00
Boost On
More Mode
40W ~ 100W
Master - 9:00 ~10:00
Wood
Treb - 2:00
Mid - 10:00 ~ 12:00
Bass - 2:00
Pres - 2:00 ~ 4:00
Depth - 3:00

 

[Apex1Rg7X]

Thanks for the responses guys, I'll have to give some of those settings a go this week.

 

[Apex1Rg7X]

One more thing...would the Deliverance 120 get me closer to the UL grind than the Sig will? I have yet to try a Deliverance but cant help but notice all of the amazing feedback it gets from what seems like everyone who plays one.

 

[bigangryguitar]

Here is a post from support awhile back....
"Customer has a Fifty/CL. Trades it in for a Sig:X. Likes it but misses some of the CL vibe - of course - 3 channels, 100W, KT88s, etc, etc...

Here's my shot at getting the Fifty/CL vibe happening on the Sig:

P.S. The Sig is definitely more "dense" in the low mids than the CL. Keeping the Bass low decreases the low end density while turning the Depth up enhances the CL low end resonance (speaker reaction). It may seem counter-intuitive...well, yeah, it is counter-intuitive. C'est la vie (all knob settings refer to the clock face hour hand

Rhyrhm Channel

“LIVE”
Gain I – 12
Gain II – 5
“BOOST”
‘MORE”
“40”
Master – 10
Treble – 1
Middle – 11
Bass – 12.30
Presence – 4:30
Depth - 3

Remember - clock face, not 1-10 "

Funny, I have a cl50 now and find myself trying to get it to sound like the Sig X I just unloaded on the orange channel! I'm starting to bond with it but the orange channel on the Sig X is one of the best ever imho.

 

[stephen sawall]

Here is a post from support awhile back....
"Customer has a Fifty/CL. Trades it in for a Sig:X. Likes it but misses some of the CL vibe - of course - 3 channels, 100W, KT88s, etc, etc...

Here's my shot at getting the Fifty/CL vibe happening on the Sig:

P.S. The Sig is definitely more "dense" in the low mids than the CL. Keeping the Bass low decreases the low end density while turning the Depth up enhances the CL low end resonance (speaker reaction). It may seem counter-intuitive...well, yeah, it is counter-intuitive. C'est la vie (all knob settings refer to the clock face hour hand

Rhyrhm Channel

“LIVE”
Gain I – 12
Gain II – 5
“BOOST”
‘MORE”
“40”
Master – 10
Treble – 1
Middle – 11
Bass – 12.30
Presence – 4:30
Depth - 3

Remember - clock face, not 1-10 "

Funny, I have a cl50 now and find myself trying to get it to sound like the Sig X I just unloaded on the orange channel! I'm starting to bond with it but the orange channel on the Sig X is one of the best ever imho.

The thing I noticed is they recommended Depth way up and the Presence almost max.

I use the Orange the most on the Sig X.
Recently I've been into the Deliverance 120 and S.A.S. The S.A.S. is great for adding some rawness to smooth amps like the Fryette's.

 

[bigangryguitar]

Here is a post from support awhile back....
"Customer has a Fifty/CL. Trades it in for a Sig:X. Likes it but misses some of the CL vibe - of course - 3 channels, 100W, KT88s, etc, etc...

Here's my shot at getting the Fifty/CL vibe happening on the Sig:

P.S. The Sig is definitely more "dense" in the low mids than the CL. Keeping the Bass low decreases the low end density while turning the Depth up enhances the CL low end resonance (speaker reaction). It may seem counter-intuitive...well, yeah, it is counter-intuitive. C'est la vie (all knob settings refer to the clock face hour hand

Rhyrhm Channel

“LIVE”
Gain I – 12
Gain II – 5
“BOOST”
‘MORE”
“40”
Master – 10
Treble – 1
Middle – 11
Bass – 12.30
Presence – 4:30
Depth - 3

Remember - clock face, not 1-10 "

Funny, I have a cl50 now and find myself trying to get it to sound like the Sig X I just unloaded on the orange channel! I'm starting to bond with it but the orange channel on the Sig X is one of the best ever imho.

The thing I noticed is they recommended Depth way up and the Presence almost max.

I use the Orange the most on the Sig X.
Recently I've been into the Deliverance 120 and S.A.S. The S.A.S. is great for adding some rawness to smooth amps like the Fryette's.

I run the presence really high on the cl50, on the Sig X I was just past noon at gig volumes and had the depth at noon. I'm not a huge low end kind of guy though.

 

[Speeddemon]

I like that chunky-but-tight low-end and run my Sig:X's Depth pretty much always around 2:30 or higher.
And the Yellow/Orange "Rhythm" Channel is indeed my favourite as well... So versatile, organic...can sometimes out-Marshall a real Marshall.

 

[Speeddemon]

I love my UL. It's one of the best amps for metal and everything else you could imagine. I also like ENGL, Bogner, Diezel, et al, but none of these come close to the UL for the tones that I like...which would be super tight, percussive, clean/non-fizzy saturation and non-compressed

I kinda like tight, dry amps. And yeah, I think that the fizziness of the Engl is what makes the VHT come out on top for me. I hate fizz.

necro-bump: did you ever try a Blackmore, Invader or Steve Morse sig?
These are anything BUT fizzy. I'm actually trying to see if I can get some more 'kerrang' out of my Invader's 2nd channel, as it's rather smooth and thick. I have a Tungsol in V1 and KT77's Powertubes, perhaps I need to revisit that.

It's easier to get my Sig:X to become brash/sharp (maybe not really fizzy yet) than the Invader, that's for sure. Still, not as bad as the EVH 5150III, once you run Presence over '11 'o clock'....