WDW Effect Routing Question

[dfrattaroli]

I know this is a stupid question:

In a WDW rig, do the effects in front of the preamp get routed to the dry amp/cab while the time-based, effects loop stuff get routed to the wet? In other words, where would a wah, OD or phaser get routed?

Thanks.

Dave

 

[Gainfreak]

I know this is a stupid question:

In a WDW rig, do the effects in front of the preamp get routed to the dry amp/cab while the time-based, effects loop stuff get routed to the wet? In other words, where would a wah, OD or phaser get routed?

Thanks.

Dave

They get routed to the main amplifier or signal source, so the answer to your question is yes, In your case you would put them in front of your preamp.

 

[dfrattaroli]

I know this is a stupid question:

In a WDW rig, do the effects in front of the preamp get routed to the dry amp/cab while the time-based, effects loop stuff get routed to the wet? In other words, where would a wah, OD or phaser get routed?

Thanks.

Dave

They get routed to the main amplifier or signal source, so the answer to your question is yes, In your case you would put them in front of your preamp.

Hey Ralph. It's Dave from last night at Joe's. Now you know you're not dealing with the sharpest knife in the drawer. So does that mean those front-of-preamp stomps go out to the dry amp/cab?

Thanks!

Dave (CudBucket)

 

[Gainfreak]

I know this is a stupid question:

In a WDW rig, do the effects in front of the preamp get routed to the dry amp/cab while the time-based, effects loop stuff get routed to the wet? In other words, where would a wah, OD or phaser get routed?

Thanks.

Dave

They get routed to the main amplifier or signal source, so the answer to your question is yes, In your case you would put them in front of your preamp.

Hey Ralph. It's Dave from last night at Joe's. Now you know you're not dealing with the sharpest knife in the drawer. So does that mean those front-of-preamp stomps go out to the dry amp/cab?

Thanks!

Dave (CudBucket)

Dave!!!!!

Wassup Brother! It was great hanging with you!!

This is tough to put into words lol!!!

To answer your question, it depends on how you route it! You have the option of kicking effects on or off on the wet cabs. In reality, the dry sound is replicated to both wet cabs. (think of it as two copies of the original tone) The dry cab remains constent, so anything you put to the middle cab or dry cab will remain dry but you can either add effects to the wet cabs or not.( The two effected cabs can either have effects on or off depending on how you program it.)

 

[dfrattaroli]

Yeah, it was fun. I can't wait to get home and actually plug the Axe in!

I completely understand what your saying. What confuses me is that in a WDW, you have stereo effects. Then I got to thinking about effects that are not stereo. The ones that are usually in front of the pre. So that made me wonder if those, like an OD, go out the middle, because they're mono or if they just get duplicated (dual mono) and go to the wet cabs.

I guess I'm asking if the D in the WDW is ALWAYS dry. I know there are no rules to this stuff and it can be done anyway you want. I was just wondering what is typically done.

PS

Next time we hang, I'm going to challenge you to teach me one of those sick tapping licks.

Peace.

Dave

 

[Gainfreak]

Yeah, it was fun. I can't wait to get home and actually plug the Axe in!

I completely understand what your saying. What confuses me is that in a WDW, you have stereo effects. Then I got to thinking about effects that are not stereo. The ones that are usually in front of the pre. So that made me wonder if those, like an OD, go out the middle, because they're mono or if they just get duplicated (dual mono) and go to the wet cabs.

I guess I'm asking if the D in the WDW is ALWAYS dry. I know there are no rules to this stuff and it can be done anyway you want. I was just wondering what is typically done.

PS

Next time we hang, I'm going to challenge you to teach me one of those sick tapping licks.

Peace.

Dave

Dave!

I had a blast and your Suhr guitars KILLED!! You and joe are killer players and I think that me, you and Volume whore Joe should get together more often so that I can steal some licks


In a typical w/d/w config, The dry cab always remains dry but your signal does go out to all the cabs, so if you hit your preamp with a boost it will be boosted through all the cabs.
I prefer to run a w/w rig because I don't usually care for the dry sound lol

 

[Zachman]

If in a w/d/w rig you run pedals in front of your amp (I do), that middle "Dry" cab is not "Dry" when the pedals are on, and the pedals will be audible in the wet cabs too.

 

[Anonymous]

I know this is a stupid question:

In a WDW rig, do the effects in front of the preamp get routed to the dry amp/cab while the time-based, effects loop stuff get routed to the wet? In other words, where would a wah, OD or phaser get routed?

Thanks.

Dave

Maybe I'm just confused, but if you put effects in front of your preamp they will always go to ALL cabs. I can't see how you could do anything else?

Also, unless you have a parallel effects loop (rare) AND a power amp AND either 3 cabs or a one mono and one stereo cab, you can't run W/D/W anyway... The best way to run W/D/W (IMO) is to use an adjustable line out (either built into your amp, or something like the Suhr box, or a Hotplate w/Line out) rather than an effects loop. Of course you still need the cabs and power amp... and still, any effects you use before the preamp are going to all cabs - no choice. Of course, when I think of a "wet" cab I'm only thinking time-based effects anyway - not OD, wha, phaser...

Steve

 

[Zachman]

I know this is a stupid question:

In a WDW rig, do the effects in front of the preamp get routed to the dry amp/cab

Yes--

while the time-based, effects loop stuff get routed to the wet?

yes, assuming the time-based effects are not pedals-- that are routed to the front of the amp

In other words, where would a wah, OD or phaser get routed?

Thanks.

Dave

Aloha Dave,

There is no "SET" answer. Typically the wah, and od would be pedals in front of the amp (Which would affect the Dry cabs signal). A Phaser "could be" only in the wet, but if it's a pedal-- typically it's in front of the amp. No set Rules though

 

[Anonymous]

If in a w/d/w rig you run pedals in front of your amp (I do), that middle "Dry" cab is not "Dry" when the pedals are on, and the pedals will be audible in the wet cabs too.

Not in the strictest sense for sure, however, I'd still consider it a "dry" cab if the timebased effects are after the preamp. ODs, Wahs, etc... put in front of the preamp and going to the "dry" cab don't make it "wet" to me... Putting a delay before the preamp would make the center cab "wet"... Just my definition though and I agree with you in the strictest sense as I said...

Steve

 

[Gainfreak]

WORD!!

 

[dfrattaroli]

I had a blast and your Suhr guitars KILLED!! You and joe are killer players and I think that me, you and Volume whore Joe should get together more often so that I can steal some licks

I'm down for that. You and Joe left me in the dust and both really inspire me.

Yes, Joe is the Czar of volume. Who needs all that volume when you can just turn up the gain!!!

I appreciate all the answers. You've all answered my question. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't doing anything "wrong" when I wire up my rig. After auditioning the Axe with gainfreak and Joe, I won't be surprised if I end up with a far simpler rig in the end. The Axe is a great piece of gear.

Dave

 

[Zachman]

If in a w/d/w rig you run pedals in front of your amp (I do), that middle "Dry" cab is not "Dry" when the pedals are on, and the pedals will be audible in the wet cabs too.

Not in the strictest sense for sure, however, I'd still consider it a "dry" cab if the timebased effects are after the preamp. ODs, Wahs, etc... put in front of the preamp and going to the "dry" cab don't make it "wet" to me... Putting a delay before the preamp would make the center cab "wet"... Just my definition though and I agree with you in the strictest sense as I said...

Steve

 

[Zachman]

WORD!!

 

[Gainfreak]

I had a blast and your Suhr guitars KILLED!! You and joe are killer players and I think that me, you and Volume whore Joe should get together more often so that I can steal some licks

I'm down for that. You and Joe left me in the dust and both really inspire me.

Yes, Joe is the Czar of volume. Who needs all that volume when you can just turn up the gain!!!

I appreciate all the answers. You've all answered my question. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't doing anything "wrong" when I wire up my rig. After audition the Axe with gainfreak and Joe, I won't be surprised if I end up with a far simpler rig in the end. The Axe is a great piece of gear.

Dave

I think Czar of volume fits Joe better

With that said, I think the Axe-fx can really uncomplicate your rig . Like I mentioned to both you and Joe lastnight, I was in ground-loop hell before I got the axe rig up and running and the Axe-FX made life so much easier!

I thought the Egnater module stuff was killer to

 

[Gainfreak]

WORD!!

You Rock!! Hey brother, thanks for having my back at the HRI forum. I think Ian thought I was pissing in his cheerios

 

[Anonymous]

After auditioning the Axe with gainfreak and Joe, I won't be surprised if I end up with a far simpler rig in the end. The Axe is a great piece of gear.

Dave

Ah... you gots an Axe!

Here's my D/W/W rig with Axe. The cab on the right is stereo and my timebased efx from the Axe and VHT 2/50/2 go there. Left cab is mono and dry from the Egnater amp. I use an adjustable line out I put in the Engater to feed the Axe:

Steve

 

[Zachman]

WORD!!

You Rock!! Hey brother, thanks for having my back at the HRI forum. I think Ian thought I was pissing in his cheerios

Always bruddah...

Ya, sometimes guys get so caught up in their pov--- seeing the truth can become clouded. Ian is normally a pretty mellow guy and cool, so I'm guessing he may have had to deal with some hcfx trolls or something, which had him extra sensitive. Anyway, you have my utmost respect.

Keep Rockin (I KNOW you will)

 

[RockNRollBabyHead]

So if I fart into a mic that has an echo in the loop, my fart comes out dry, yet my pants are wet and the sound has an echo, is this still considered WDW or WWD???

 

[stephen sawall]

Is that dry humor ?