We are chasing the impossible.....

[Racerxrated]

When it comes to recorded tones. Why can't we admit that, no matter how much we love Facelift, or 10,000 Days, or VH I or II or Fair Warning, that there is just NO FREAKIN WAY we are going to buy some amazeballs modded Marshall or Diezel Pinkface or whatever amp and match those tones??? Way too much going on in the studio, cabs, mic placements in 7 different spots in a stairwell for fucks sake.

It just ain't gonna happen folks. If you like Jones tones on 10,000 Days like I do, well it's gonna take like 5 other amps OTHER than the impossible VH4 Blueface to get there. The recent post on searching for the Facelift tone made me re read the Ronnie C post on how he used the Snorkler to record Facelift. Even if you were to pry the amp from his hands with a shit ton of cash, try to match how he used the amp....you still wouldn't get there.
Now, if Kemper could come out with a way to profile recorded tones, THAT would be something......

 

[Mailman1971]

Always dug the tones off this cd.

 

[ChurchHill]

Truth... and why my GAS went from just guitars and amps to mics, preamps, and lots of other recording gear. That can be a mighty big rabbit hole...

 

[Mailman1971]

Last time we recorded. Think it was the zoom q3.
Came out pretty good.
This was about 4 years ago.
Sure they can be had pretty cheap these days.

 

[Racerxrated]

Truth... and why my GAS went from just guitars and amps to mics, preamps, and lots of other recording gear. That can be a mighty big rabbit hole...

Yes...and I don't want to fall down that one....

 

[Racerxrated]

Always dug the tones off this cd.

Of course you did!
RIP

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Diezel Pinkface...

can I get a purple?

 

[Racerxrated]

Diezel Pinkface...

can I get a purple?

Sorry VH4 fans I was trying a little sarcasm......

 

[paulyc]

Truth... and why my GAS went from just guitars and amps to mics, preamps, and lots of other recording gear. That can be a mighty big rabbit hole...

Amen...right there with ya !!!

 

[maddnotez]

In theory this could happen.

Doesn't the kemper just capture wave data? There are already EQ matching plugins so I think between that and the Kemper the tech is already here to make this happen. You should try to patent the idea and sell it to Kemper

 

[Racerxrated]

In theory this could happen.

Doesn't the kemper just capture wave data? There are already EQ matching plugins so I think between that and the Kemper the tech is already here to make this happen. You should try to patent the idea and sell it to Kemper

Interesting. We already have the isolated guitar tracks from VH I and others...I don't see why it couldn't happen, and soon....
If it does happen then it's Kemper time.

 

[ChurchHill]

Diezel Pinkface...

can I get a purple?

Sorry VH4 fans I was trying a little sarcasm......

I want a purple one!!!

 

[ChurchHill]

In theory this could happen.

Doesn't the kemper just capture wave data? There are already EQ matching plugins so I think between that and the Kemper the tech is already here to make this happen. You should try to patent the idea and sell it to Kemper

Interesting. We already have the isolated guitar tracks from VH I and others...I don't see why it couldn't happen, and soon....
If it does happen then it's Kemper time.

This would be really interesting... and yeah, I think it could happen. If software like Melodyne can correct individual notes in chords, a similar process could grab different strings and frets, even if they were sounding the same note, from an isolated guitar track. At that point, I'd think it would be possible to analyze how the amp/room/mic/mic-pre/board/tape/mastering/etc. was responding to the guitar from each position. The pitch tracking process already analyzes pitch/vibrato/formant/etc., so by extension, it would be possible to analyze the response to the player's techniques. Hmmm....

 

[stratjacket]

True, but if it was easy, it'd be boring and no one would care. Tone chasing, finding new "insert whatever' is half the fun or half the battle depending on the mood I guess.

 

[ChurchHill]

Yeah, I think so, too... at least half the fun... thrill of the chase and all.

But, hey... at least we all have lofty goals, eh??

 

[stratjacket]

But, hey... at least we all have lofty goals, eh??

oh and what goals we have...

 

[BYTOR]

We already have the isolated guitar tracks from VH I and others...I don't see why it couldn't happen, and soon....
If it does happen then it's Kemper time.

No need for no stinking EQ match....just an AFX unit is all

Templeman & Landee wish they had it this easy back in '78

 

[JT087]

I've tried gear matching with recorded tones but you're right there's generally something missing. The only time I feel I've really gotten "that sound" was with my Demeter TGP3 rack. Pretty much nails STP's Core and any live tone Dean has gotten since the early 90's if you mix in an AC30.

 

[EXPcustom]

I love tone chasing and actually finding it. No better feeling in the world.

It really wasn't till I started reading this forum back in 07 that I started learning about tone and what to chase. Before that I would just buy whatever from Guitar Center or the local music store, I figured recorder guitar tone was that, recorded and you're not going to get it.

It was through this forum that I was exposed to, like a sex offender in the night with a trench coat, some shocking tones.

From there I went and sought out what I wanted or was looking for in an amp tone wise. Yeah, it takes patience but you'll find it. You just need to know where to look. Just buying a amp that's close enough to what was used on your favorite album usually isn't going to cut it.

I got my Snorkler, my real not reissue Blueface jones Tonez, my Cameron mods and pre-pro CCV over a period of many years and I bought lots of shit amps in between chasing that tone. Today what I have is what I literally call my tone library. Would have never been possible if it wasn't for the knowledge exchanged on this forum.

In fact I literally built a "tone library" and hope to have a full on private studio in a few years where I can deal with private referrals mostly.

I am a believer that if you go out there an look you will find that tone you want. If you think you're just going to walk into guitar center and buy it off the rack well keep dreaming, maybe the used section..

I feel that just collecting it and letting it collect dust is one of the worst things to do with something like that, this is why I do profiles and private rentals on a referal only basis to people recording. You can hear one of my Cameron modded Marshalls over the last Alcatraz or the former member of Alcatraza's band Graham Bonnet band my Marshall was all over that album

 

[braintheory]

For what it’s worth, I’ve never tried to totally nail anyone else’s recorded tone, but rather hone in on a few key qualities I really love about their sound and try to just nail that, which IMO is a very possible thing to achieve. I actually would never want to completely capture anyone else’s sound because as great as they may be, I can always find little things that I think could be better or would prefer differently for my taste, so instead I’ll aim to just capture the aspects of their tone that I think is really special without the stuff I don’t like

For example, the way I use my mark iic+ HRG or mark iii++ coliseum’s with my guitars, cabs, pedals, etc. captures what I loved about Metallica’s Tone growing up, but is more to my taste because it’s less compressed, less brittle and more growly/less smooth (maybe since they used the simul class versions), but I guess I could make it more compressed and brittle if I really wanted to. Some of my friends have told me that it sounds just like Metallica’s sound when I use them, but I don’t think so and also hope not

Likewise, if I play something like Round and Round on my Cameron modded Marshall’s I can get what I like about DeMartini’s sound (better than when I had a SLO) without that nasally quality that I really don’t like and other things that weren’t to my taste. Again, it won’t nail his tone at all, but it’ll capture all the things I liked about it

So I guess I agree that it’s not worth trying completely capture everything about someone else’s recorded tone, but I’d say try to dissect it and just take the things that you think make it special to you and tweak it to your taste from there and then it kinda becomes your own sound anyway, which is for the better imo