We should all have neighbors like this

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The guy said many, many things on the 911 call that could cause him some serious trouble in court, especially civil court.

The dispatcher advised him not to confront the burglars many times, and the guy still went outside. He was not in any immediate danger while he was in his house.

The guy claims that the burglars advanced towards him in a manner that caused him to fear serious bodily injury or death, which would allow the use of deadly force in self defense.

I'm pretty sure the surviving burglar and his team of lawyers and "community leaders" will deny that while explaining that the burglar was on his way from church to visit his sick grandmother and that he was starting a new job on Momday - it's always the same story.

This case will probably be referred to a grand jury, which considering the 911 call the grand jury very well may decide to let the state try this guy for a criminal act. If he goes to trial there's no telling what will happen. I can see where both sides will argue that they are right and the other side is wrong. Regardless, he will be civilly sued by the surviving burglar and the family of the dead burglar.

In a conservative Texas county (actually, pretty much anywhere in Texas except San FranAustin) a criminal trial jury will almost certainly be sympathetic towards the shooter and have no sympathy for the burglars.

He will quite possibly be acquitted on criminal charges and sued into oblivion in civil court.

If he had styed in the house he wouldn't be where he is today with the criminal and civil cases hanging over him. I too would have confronted a burglar at my neighbor's house, and I too would have been armed. If the burglar attacked me I'd be in the same position this guy is in. But I would not say the things to the 911 dispatcher that he said.
 
there is no surviving robber...both are dead.

I also agree that the 911 tape could hurt his case but the bottom line is what happened outside immediately after he said "move or you're dead".
 
Man, I'd really love to run my mouth off right now but I'd probably start sounding like some gun toting southern redneck. Oh yeah.......I am one. :lol: :LOL: And for the liberals, if your too much of a pussy to have a gun in the house to protect your wife as she's getting ass rammed by that psycho sex maniac that broke into your house, give me a call real quick if you can get to your mobile phone from that corner your over there crying in and have me come over and take care of business by being the real man in the house for ya. Ok?. ;)
 
'63-Strat":2b8ce said:
moronmountain":2b8ce said:
'63-Strat":2b8ce said:
Ok, I'm saying it. I know lots of you guys consider yourselves Christians, how can you justify killing someone/judging them permanently for stealing and not see the hypocrisy in this? Do you really think Jesus would be cool with you killing someone over theft? I know you're all going to say "HIS LIFE WAS THREATENED!!!" and maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. But it wouldn't have been if he had listened to the operator and it wouldn't have been if he wasn't so keen on stopping the burglars and/or fulfilling his desire to kill them. All this after mentioning he was aware of the revisions to the civil immunity law on the phone prior to. I just find this wrong on many levels. And frankly, I'm expecting the judge to as well, but we'll see.
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Well if iirc God had the Jews go to war over certain things, and people got killed as a result of it. David flat out killed Goliath. This is the same God that is Jesus' father. Jesus turned over the tables of the money changers. I don't know "Biblically" which is the right or wrong answer to be honest. I do know that when everyone in this country had a gun strapped to their hip everyone was more polite to each other. They weren't necessarily "nicer", but people thought twice before acting like idiots. The 2 guys here will probably NEVER change their ways and in the end it's 2 less losers on the face of the planet. I've been mugged by crackheads before and had gang bangers try to intimidate me. Screw all of them. I refuse to act like a victim around them. I'll say again that if everyone in our country stood up for themselves and their neighbors who may be to weak to, then this country would be a MUCH better place to live in. "Biblically" is that the way it's supposed to be? I have no idea nor I doubt anyone does, but I would love it if this country was more like it was in the 50's. FWIW I've never brought up the fact that I'm a Christian on this (or any) forum before because I don't think it's a moral issue. It's a keep my country a safe place issue. I do respect your opinion, but tossing out the "religion" card in this case is out of line IMO. I don't have anything against you however, and this won't make me think less of you.
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I wasn't referring only to you at all, btw. But to me, the idea of killing someone over theft is a moral issue so we'll have to agree to disagree on whether beliefs come into that or not.
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Killing someone over theft IMO isn't what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about living in a safe country. It's not about losing property. It's about me feeling safe in my home, neighborhood, etc. You can argue that it's a moral issue and I won't really argue back, because there are good points to be made either way. You bringing up the Christian thing though is out of line IMO, because I don't think this is a "religious" moral issue. It's about one's personal belief system. I know you weren't necessarily referring to me. I can actually assume that you weren't referring to me at all, because I don't think anyone here knew I was a Christian. If I see religious debates on here I stay clear of them because both sides usaully end up looking foolish. You basically said in the original e-mail that a Christian who is ok with what this guy did was a hypocrite, and what I'm trying to say in return is that my religious beliefs have nothing to do with how I feel about the incident. I would feel the same way even if I wasn't a Christian. I also know tons of Christians that don't think anyone should be punished for anything, so I would personally leave religion out of this argument as I don't think it's a huge common demoninator. I'm gonna guess that some of the guys here that are behind what the shooter did aren't Christians. To me "pulling the religion card" is no different than pulling a race card. No hard feelins over here. I just felt like presenting the "other side of the coin."
 
moronmountain":dfb12 said:
philb":dfb12 said:
Well, it's a tragic case for sure regardless of who is right or wrong.
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What's tragic is that some people consider their drug habits more important than the right of people to feel safe.
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That's what I said, it's a tragedy on many levels.
 
A question for those who say that someones property is not worth someones life:
If you worked for that property for say 40 years & someone came & stole it in 15 minutes wouldn't that be like stealing 40 years of your life? How isn't that worth it? Everything these idiots steal are hours of hard work of a different person, if we add up everything they stole through their "career" we will probably end up with 100s of years of hard work. Fuck them, totally worth it!
 
Shawn Lutz":60b42 said:
there is no surviving robber...both are dead.

I also agree that the 911 tape could hurt his case but the bottom line is what happened outside immediately after he said "move or you're dead".
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Ah, the other one died then. 1 was still alive at the scene whent he police first arrived.

Being that this is Texas he probably won't be convicted of a crime. Either way, he's screwed in civil court based on that 911 call. A rookie defense lawyer or civil lawyer would have a field day with that 911 tape.
 
I am the one who threw in the Clint Eastwood line and the stuff about Jesus and neighbors. Another belief I have is that as an individual I might choose to turn the other cheek and be a tree hugger but as a society we need hard fast rules to live by. If the rules we, as a society make are more harsh than my personal beliefs than so be it. Thats why we have to vote and make our personal preferences known to an extent. I believe in a strong military and strong laws but think that we have to be careful when it comes to vigilante type justice. As for defending our homes, thats tough for me to turn the other cheek when someone would harm me or one of my five kids or two grandchildren. We live close to the area where the kids were killed at the Amish Nickel Mines community and my wife works at the bank next door to where the shooter lived. The Amish are all about forgiveness and even the Amish are struggling with what happened that day. And I struggle with that also.
 
He did the wrong thing for sure and should be charged with murder...the guy sounded way too trigger happy.
It's great that he wanted to protect his neighbor's property, but he could have said 'FREEZE' and held them at gunpoint (even blow off a warning shot at the ground near them to prove he means business) until the police arrived.
 
Tnjpekar":4d81e said:
once I was anti death penalty, then I was cured.
Hate to say it, but statistics show that most violent offenders are not rehabbed in prison. they simply come out worse than they went in.
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That's because our prison system in this fucking country is complete and utter shit. It's completely deplorable, does more harm than good, and doesn't even TRY to rehabilitate.

Yes, there are always people who are not going to rehabilitate, but we don't even try in our prisons.

Why the fuck do they call them correctional facilities if they are going to do nothing but fix the problem? Our "lock them all up and throw away the key" prison system is outmoded and a complete band-aid solution to a bigger education problem in this country.
 
Randy Van Sykes":4b2f3 said:
He did the wrong thing for sure and should be charged with murder...
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I disagree based on his statement that 2 felons disregarded his order to halt even though he was holding them at gunpoint, and according to him they make movements that caused him to feel threatened. Since the burglars are not capable of giving testimony to the contrary (being dead and all) we have to give him the benefit of the doubt, unless clear evidence points to the contrary.


Randy Van Sykes":4b2f3 said:
the guy sounded way too trigger happy.
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I agree with that statement, although he may have sounded that way because he was nervous, excited or scared and not necessarily trigger happy. But his statements to the 911 operator were troubling to me.


Randy Van Sykes":4b2f3 said:
It's great that he wanted to protect his neighbor's property, but he could have said 'FREEZE' and held them at gunpoint
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He did say "move, and you're dead" while pointing a shotgun at 2 felons, which to any reasonable person (the standard used in court) would cause most people to not move. The felons, according to the shooter, did in fact move towards him in an aggressive manner from a short distance away.


Randy Van Sykes":4b2f3 said:
(even blow off a warning shot at the ground near them to prove he means business) until the police arrived.
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A warning shot is illegal and considered using deadly force. If you are not justified in using deadly force (killing someone) you are not permitted to fire a warning shot. This isn't just the law (and policy for police departments nationwide) it's plain common sense. Warning shots and shooting people in the leg are TV fantasy stuff, not reality.
 
EvilMeow":a586f said:
Our "lock them all up and throw away the key" prison system is outmoded and a complete band-aid solution to a bigger education problem in this country.
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Yes, and that problem is total lack of personal responsibility on the part of people, who become parents, who have kids that become criminals who lack personal responsibility.

There is never anyone to blame for a crime except the criminal who commits the crime - period, end of story.
 
Odin":a84e1 said:
Randy Van Sykes":a84e1 said:
He did the wrong thing for sure and should be charged with murder...
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I disagree based on his statement that 2 felons disregarded his order to halt even though he was holding them at gunpoint, and according to him they make movements that caused him to feel threatened. Since the burglars are not capable of giving testimony to the contrary (being dead and all) we have to give him the benefit of the doubt, unless clear evidence points to the contrary.


Randy Van Sykes":a84e1 said:
the guy sounded way too trigger happy.
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I agree with that statement, although he may have sounded that way because he was nervous, excited or scared and not necessarily trigger happy. But his statements to the 911 operator were troubling to me.


Randy Van Sykes":a84e1 said:
It's great that he wanted to protect his neighbor's property, but he could have said 'FREEZE' and held them at gunpoint
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He did say "move, and you're dead" while pointing a shotgun at 2 felons, which to any reasonable person (the standard used in court) would cause most people to not move. The felons, according to the shooter, did in fact move towards him in an aggressive manner from a short distance away.


Randy Van Sykes":a84e1 said:
(even blow off a warning shot at the ground near them to prove he means business) until the police arrived.
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A warning shot is illegal and considered using deadly force. If you are not justified in using deadly force (killing someone) you are not permitted to fire a warning shot. This isn't just the law (and policy for police departments nationwide) it's plain common sense. Warning shots and shooting people in the leg are TV fantasy stuff, not reality.
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He killed 2 people.

Worries me that people that trigger happy own a gun in the first place, I wouldn't want him as a neighbor.

Sounded like he was shooting to kill very quickly...warning shots are better than killing people.

If he gets off in court that's a very bad message to send to people (that are trigger happy like him)
 
EvilMeow":958e7 said:
Tnjpekar":958e7 said:
once I was anti death penalty, then I was cured.
Hate to say it, but statistics show that most violent offenders are not rehabbed in prison. they simply come out worse than they went in.
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That's because our prison system in this fucking country is complete and utter shit. It's completely deplorable, does more harm than good, and doesn't even TRY to rehabilitate.

Yes, there are always people who are not going to rehabilitate, but we don't even try in our prisons.

Why the fuck do they call them correctional facilities if they are going to do nothing but fix the problem? Our "lock them all up and throw away the key" prison system is outmoded and a complete band-aid solution to a bigger education problem in this country.
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Our prison system used to try to rehabilitate and it has started again in the past 5 years. The reason they quit trying in the first place is because they found out it didn't work. You can have all kinds of good intentions around it, but in the end forced rehab doesn't work.
 
Juggernaut":4f796 said:
bill":4f796 said:
life in prison without chance of parole is the proper way. Rotten tree hugger kids of mine finally got to me.
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Fuck that, our prisons are already WAY over populated, why should we have to pay for these fucks to live job/responsibility free? If we HAVE to imprison them.....put their asses to work building another prison, making their own food and clothing etc..... make them EARN the life they want so badly to keep.
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I completely agree, plus like said earlier, I don't want to be paying my tax dollars for these sacks of shit to be cared for like fucking babies. If it was my decision, I would kill every last one of those mother fuckers, no options, no say from anyone else.

Plus some research/statistics show that actually most of the time people who are kept in prison then leave actually become WORSE than when they went in because they create a ton of connections and get networks setup with all these other criminals, such as drug lords etc..

They were worthless piles of skin and bone before they went into prison, they're going to be worthless piles of skin and bone when they get out of prison... kill em' all...
 
This new story says he shot them in the back??? Was that in the original account??

Nobody should shed any tears over the two dead criminals. But at the same time, I would not want my neighbors shooting anybody over my property. Family, personal safety, absolutely. Property, no way. It's not worth it.
 
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