We should all have neighbors like this

[theNoseBleedKid]

Please see my above post ^

Do you support this depraved act of unjustified killing?

 

[Phishphood]

Please see my above post ^

Do you support this depraved act of unjustified killing?

Can you read?

 

[Code001]

It saddens me so many fellow musicians support cold blooded murder.

What does being a musician have to do with anything?

It's the common link to why we are here, its the only thing (I presume) EVERYONE has in common on this board. It's possibly the only way I can relate to murder lovers.

It just seems like unnecessary wording. Every time a coworker or family member disagrees with you, do you point out the fact that it saddens you x group disagrees? Calling someone who disagrees with you about this subject a "murder lover" is pretty fucking harsh and immature, though.

 

[White_Van]

Please see my above post ^

Do you support this depraved act of unjustified killing?

Before you go throwing around big boy words like depraved and unjustified killing, maybe you should substantiate it with some facts, rather than merely telling people they are supporting adult abortion.

For the record, I think the death penalty is wrong, but if you can't argue intelligently, get out of the thread.

 

[Phishphood]

Please see my above post ^

Do you support this depraved act of unjustified killing?

Before you go throwing around big boy words like depraved and unjustified killing, maybe you should substantiate it with some facts, rather than merely telling people they are supporting adult abortion.

For the record, I think the death penalty is wrong, but if you can't argue intelligently, get out of the thread.

I don't think we need another demonstration

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Please see my above post ^

Do you support this depraved act of unjustified killing?

Can you read?

Well you said you didn't have a problem with their deaths, but a problem with the method of their deaths. So you support them dying, but not Joe Horn?

It just seems like unnecessary wording. Every time a coworker or family member disagrees with you, do you point out the fact that it saddens you x group disagrees? Calling someone who disagrees with you about this subject a "murder lover" is pretty fucking harsh and immature, though.

Well it was hardly necessary to call everyone musicians. Depends whether I'm trying to be inclusive, exclusive or whatnot.

I'd call shooting two people running away pretty "harsh" and the guy (from the phone convos) doesn't come accross as having a "mature" attitude.

Yes it is harsh, so is shooting 2 men in the back. I'm not saying they don't deserve punishment, but cold blooded murder was definately NOT justified.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Before you go throwing around big boy words like depraved and unjustified killing, maybe you should substantiate it with some facts, rather than merely telling people they are supporting adult abortion.

For the record, I think the death penalty is wrong, but if you can't argue intelligently, get out of the thread.

Do I even NEED facts here. He shot two men in the back against all advice offered by the relevant department. He was a vigilante who disobeyed all advice and showed nothing remotely CLOSE to remorse after comitting his act. I'm not discussing the death penalty, I really do not know anything about it.

 

[White_Van]

Before you go throwing around big boy words like depraved and unjustified killing, maybe you should substantiate it with some facts, rather than merely telling people they are supporting adult abortion.

For the record, I think the death penalty is wrong, but if you can't argue intelligently, get out of the thread.

Do I even NEED facts here. He shot two men in the back against all advice offered by the relevant department. He was a vigilante who disobeyed all advice and showed nothing remotely CLOSE to remorse after comitting his act. I'm not discussing the death penalty, I really do not know anything about it.

According to people that know more about this, the guy shot them in the front after giving them full warning that he would shoot if necessary, he was apparently threatened by them and shot them.

Yes, I find all deaths unfortunate, criminals or not, but I don't think that you are going about this the right way.

I disagree with Stephen Colbert, yelling the same shit over and over will not make you right, just everyone else pissed.

 

[Juggernaut]

I'm not gonna argue costs.... cause like everything else, the government would spend it on something even more trivial than the death penalty. Honestly, I dont know, facts from both sides are thrown around, and who knows who's telling the truth.......

As far as the Death Penalty, I'm sorry, some people do not deserve to live in this world, and when they decide to deprive someone else of the right to live (in the act of a crime), they give up their own. period.

my opinion, take it or leave it, sorry.

 

[White_Van]

I'm not gonna argue costs.... cause like everything else, the government would spend it on something even more trivial than the death penalty. Honestly, I dont know, facts from both sides are thrown around, and who knows who's telling the truth.......

As far as the Death Penalty, I'm sorry, some people do not deserve to live in this world, and when they decide to deprive someone else of the right to live (in the act of a crime), they give up their own. period.

my opinion, take it or leave it, sorry.

I respect your opinion, and I am perfectly happy to let you have that without a fight.

I do however like a good discussion, and you gents do certainly provide that.

Thanks guys.

 

[Phishphood]

Well you said you didn't have a problem with their deaths, but a problem with the method of their deaths. So you support them dying, but not Joe Horn?

Thought you were talking about the death penalty...

And while you started going in the general direction of my point, you veered way off into Failsville. Is death an appropriate punishment for breaking and entering? No, not at all, which is why no one will get capital punishment for it. But when you break into someones house, in Texas of all places, its the risk you take. I can feel for their families, and if I knew something about their lives there's the possibility that I could sympathize with the conditions that lead to this event (to a certain degree), but its really hard to take pity on them when they knowingly violated the law and knowingly put their lives at risk for quick cash

I'm not gonna argue costs.... cause like everything else, the government would spend it on something even more trivial than the death penalty. Honestly, I dont know, facts from both sides are thrown around, and who knows who's telling the truth.......

As far as the Death Penalty, I'm sorry, some people do not deserve to live in this world, and when they decide to deprive someone else of the right to live (in the act of a crime), they give up their own. period.

my opinion, take it or leave it, sorry.

I agree, costs aren't the main issue at heart here, and while I may not agree I'm going to leave it at that because that's a different discussion entirely which I feel no need to go into

People were arguing costs though, and I did feel the need to correct them

 

[Odin]

Since we're throwing out "facts" and figures here, can anyone tell me what the recidivism rate is for executed felons? Seems like it's well worth the cost, whatever the cost is.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

According to people that know more about this, the guy shot them in the front after giving them full warning that he would shoot if necessary, he was apparently threatened by them and shot them.

Yes, I find all deaths unfortunate, criminals or not, but I don't think that you are going about this the right way.

I disagree with Stephen Colbert, yelling the same shit over and over will not make you right, just everyone else pissed.

Oh I have no doubt that if I wanted a logic and rational discussion I'd be going about this in prehaps the WORST way.

Yes thats what I heard, the reports stipulate that one of them moved towards him (a vague descriptor if I've ever heard one) and then he killed BOTH? So now it's ok to shoot someone else if someone associated with that person is "threatening" you.

I mean they were armed with crowbars, how "threatened" did mr vigilante armed with a gun really feel?

 

[Phishphood]

Since we're throwing out "facts" and figures here, can anyone tell me what the recidivism rate is for executed felons? Seems like it's well worth the cost, whatever the cost is.

Can you tell me what the recidivism rate is for felons given life without parole

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Thought you were talking about the death penalty...

No no! Apologies if I gave off that impression!!

And while you started going in the general direction of my point, you veered way off into Failsville. Is death an appropriate punishment for breaking and entering? No, not at all, which is why no one will get capital punishment for it. But when you break into someones house, in Texas of all places, its the risk you take. I can feel for their families, and if I knew something about their lives there's the possibility that I could sympathize with the conditions that lead to this event (to a certain degree), but its really hard to take pity on them when they knowingly violated the law and knowingly put their lives at risk for quick cash

But the punishment doesn't fit the crime, thats MY issue with this whole thing. Supporting vigilante justice beyond what would happen in the usual court of law is a really, really negative thing. Especially considering this dude had advice from the police department.

 

[White_Van]

Since we're throwing out "facts" and figures here, can anyone tell me what the recidivism rate is for executed felons? Seems like it's well worth the cost, whatever the cost is.

Can you tell me what the recidivism rate is for felons given life without parole

Can I buy a zero?

Communism is the answer man, with everyone equal there will be no crime.

Wish there was a hippie icon, that would be mad cool.

 

[Phishphood]

According to people that know more about this, the guy shot them in the front after giving them full warning that he would shoot if necessary, he was apparently threatened by them and shot them.

Yes, I find all deaths unfortunate, criminals or not, but I don't think that you are going about this the right way.

I disagree with Stephen Colbert, yelling the same shit over and over will not make you right, just everyone else pissed.

Oh I have no doubt that if I wanted a logic and rational discussion I'd be going about this in prehaps the WORST way.

Yes thats what I heard, the reports stipulate that one of them moved towards him (a vague descriptor if I've ever heard one) and then he killed BOTH? So now it's ok to shoot someone else if someone associated with that person is "threatening" you.

I mean they were armed with crowbars, how "threatened" did mr vigilante armed with a gun really feel?

Wat

Seriously, if you don't want a logical or rational discussion go to UG. Its devoid of logic

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Wat

Seriously, if you don't want a logical or rational discussion go to UG. Its devoid of logic

Debating anything to do with guns or laws with gun supporters is beyond impossible. I've tried all kinds of logical well meaning arguments and rational thinking and tried being compassioante towards them. There are a few that you CAN engage, a very slim minority in my epxerience. Both on line and IRL.

UG is shithouse. Though there is randomly like some dude that owns 4 Alembics there.

 

[White_Van]

According to people that know more about this, the guy shot them in the front after giving them full warning that he would shoot if necessary, he was apparently threatened by them and shot them.

Yes, I find all deaths unfortunate, criminals or not, but I don't think that you are going about this the right way.

I disagree with Stephen Colbert, yelling the same shit over and over will not make you right, just everyone else pissed.

Oh I have no doubt that if I wanted a logic and rational discussion I'd be going about this in prehaps the WORST way.

Yes thats what I heard, the reports stipulate that one of them moved towards him (a vague descriptor if I've ever heard one) and then he killed BOTH? So now it's ok to shoot someone else if someone associated with that person is "threatening" you.

I mean they were armed with crowbars, how "threatened" did mr vigilante armed with a gun really feel?

Wat

Seriously, if you don't want a logical or rational discussion go to UG. Its devoid of logic

I'm gonna go HC on that front, man that place is retarded. All you have to do is post "murder/suicide/gape/a2m" and you get fellated by all those dudes as they simultaneously chant "T3H BrOOTALZ" and scream you are the coolest thing since the Bugera line came out.

 

[Phishphood]

Thought you were talking about the death penalty...

No no! Apologies if I gave off that impression!!

And while you started going in the general direction of my point, you veered way off into Failsville. Is death an appropriate punishment for breaking and entering? No, not at all, which is why no one will get capital punishment for it. But when you break into someones house, in Texas of all places, its the risk you take. I can feel for their families, and if I knew something about their lives there's the possibility that I could sympathize with the conditions that lead to this event (to a certain degree), but its really hard to take pity on them when they knowingly violated the law and knowingly put their lives at risk for quick cash

But the punishment doesn't fit the crime, thats MY issue with this whole thing. Supporting vigilante justice beyond what would happen in the usual court of law is a really, really negative thing. Especially considering this dude had advice from the police department.

Well yeah, that's the issue with vigilante justice, I'm not going to argue that. But there are situations when it is life or death and extreme actions are necessary. In this case, its hard to tell if lethal force was necessary, we aren't given all the facts. But given what we do know, it seems to me that the guy made some bad decisions that may have forced him into one of these situations. That was my point in my first post. Guns can help stop crime, but only in the right hands, rational hands. This situation seems to blur the line a bit and that worries me, as there's the potential that it could open the door for irrational people to take reckless irresponsible actions without facing consequence

I may agree with you to some extent, but you're going about this in such an idiotic way that I'm having to put a lot effort into distancing myself from your views