We should all have neighbors like this

[Copperhead]

It saddens me so many fellow musicians support cold blooded murder.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... et_to.html

This guy threatened my wife, myself, our kids, on a daily basis. Promised to escape and come kill us all.....so yes, the death penalty worked out pretty good for us.

Bobby Cruz also threatened our family in much the same way, but he had better lawyers through his organized crime connections, and tampered with witnesses, and was aquitted.....but he crossed too many people along the way and the mob "took care of their own":

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive ... 01216.html

Call it karma or fate or whatever, but you're one twisted individual to be shedding tears over the likes of these....and the dead thugs in Texas. I'm assuming you must be a violent criminal yourself, to feel such kinship that you are saddened by their demise.

I feel sad for the man who was put in that situation by these criminals, that he had to commit a violent act to defend himself. He had to do what he had to do, and not being a violent person or career criminal, it probably weighs on him and his family pretty heavily.

 

[Odin]

Thats not a rate or a figure!

That doesn't negate the fact that it happens. I'd say the recidivism rate for lifers in prison is almost 100% as nearly all of them are involved in some sort of criminal activity in prison. They have nothing to lose and they act like it.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

It saddens me so many fellow musicians support cold blooded murder.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... et_to.html

This guy threatened my wife, myself, our kids, on a daily basis. Promised to escape and come kill us all.....so yes, the death penalty worked out pretty good for us.

Bobby Cruz also threatened our family in much the same way, but he had better lawyers through his organized crime connections, and tampered with witnesses, and was aquitted.....but he crossed too many people along the way and the mob "took care of their own":

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive ... 01216.html

Call it karma or fate or whatever, but you're one twisted individual to be shedding tears over the likes of these....and the dead thugs in Texas. I'm assuming you must be a violent criminal yourself, to feel such kinship that you are saddened by their demise.

I feel sad for the man who was put in that situation by these criminals, that he had to commit a violent act to defend himself. He had to do what he had to do, and not being a violent person or career criminal, it probably weighs on him and his family pretty heavily.

I wasn't talking about the death penalty, I already said that, twice. I was talking about the Joe Horn incident. This making your examples (in addressing me specifically) useless!

He didn't have to do what he did, thats the point. He went against all advice and a detective on the scene to kill two people not even invading his home.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

That doesn't negate the fact that it happens. I'd say the recidivism rate for lifers in prison is almost 100% as nearly all of them are involved in some sort of criminal activity in prison. They have nothing to lose and they act like it.

So you ask for figures than don't provide any, than provide (instead) an incredibly biased and most likely completely ridiculous figure. Your a statisticians nightmare. Blanketing people as they is nothing but plain ignorance and shameful generalisation that only shows how ridiculous your opinions are. Not all criminals are the same maestro. A 14 year old getting caught shop lifting and a child molester aren't in the same league. Neither are someone B&E and someone commiting murder. To treat them as such is simply insane.

 

[Copperhead]

It was determined they entered his yard and were approaching him. Now, if someone's pointing a shotgun at you, would you charge at them?? No, you would run or surrender. These two obviously had bad intent. That's why it was ruled as self defense. AND I was not talking about the death penalty exclusively, I was talking about violent endings to violent lives, that the Texas case was not a random bad thing happening to good people, but a logical conclusion to people who chose to live their lives in a violent and lawless manner.

Which brings me to you. I now believe you are probably a child rapist or some other sort of deviant who preys on innocent lives, and this why you are so against any form of a person defending themselves with any sort of deadly force; it stems from your fear of being shot while doing your dastardly deeds. Which is why you live in a place where that is most unlikely, you prefer your victims to be defenseless.


Edit: Have a nice day!

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

It was determined they entered his yard and were approaching him. Now, if someone's pointing a shotgun at you, would you charge at them?? No, you would run or surrender. These two obviously had bad intent. That's why it was ruled as self defense. AND I was not talking about the death penalty exclusively, I was talking about violent endings to violent lives, that the Texas case was not a random bad thing happening to good people, but a logical conclusion to people who chose to live their lives in a violent and lawless manner.

Which brings me to you. I now believe you are probably a child rapist or some other sort of deviant who preys on innocent lives, and this why you are so against any form of a person defending themselves with any sort of deadly force; it stems from your fear of being shot while doing your dastardly deeds. Which is why you live in a place where that is most unlikely, you prefer your victims to be defenseless.

Only 1 ran at him, with a crowbar, hardly an appropriate measure of self defense by any strech of the imagination and ahrdly justification for the other dying. Going to shoot anyone that runs accross your front lawn?

Yes I am a child rapist. That is EXACTLY what I do. Call me that again and I'll report you. Some of the kids I work with ahve been victims of that shit, do NOT insult them so, thats blantantly wrong on every level.

Wait have you visited or lived in Australia? Thought not, great to see you keep talking out of your ass there.

 

[CharFace]

It saddens me so many fellow musicians support cold blooded murder.

IMO this was not even close to Murder.

Anyone who has read my rants prolly knows that I'm pretty damn left-wing, but if you are committing a crime, you have made a decision to waive all of your civil liberties. If you are killed while committing a crime, well, I guess its an occupational hazard.

Crime and criminals suck, and their actions make life harder on the rest of us via insane laws, higher cost of goods, insurance, etc. Why do they have to be so protected? And do we, the presumably law-abiding, have to become victims? Hell no, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

 

[thiswaythatway]

Before you go throwing around big boy words like depraved and unjustified killing, maybe you should substantiate it with some facts, rather than merely telling people they are supporting adult abortion.

For the record, I think the death penalty is wrong, but if you can't argue intelligently, get out of the thread.

Do I even NEED facts here. He shot two men in the back against all advice offered by the relevant department. He was a vigilante who disobeyed all advice and showed nothing remotely CLOSE to remorse after comitting his act. I'm not discussing the death penalty, I really do not know anything about it.

The fact is that you live a World away and you don't have a clue as to how things are here. Texas is far enough away from me and I'm sure the Laws differ from NJ to Texas. And also, he was CLEARED by a jury so when you call him a vigilante you're wrong.

IMHO, having a few vigilantes is the least of our problems here. People are obviously sick and tired of getting robbed, assaulted, and watching drug deals go down in their neighborhoods.

I don't own a gun but i keep a baseball bat in my bedroom and i have a few hammers laying around. If someone comes onto my property with ill intent I'm swinging first and asking questions later.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Only 1 ran at him, with a crowbar,...

Oh well, if it was just a crowbar. Yep, the appropriate response is to just stand there and get your head bashed in.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

IMO this was not even close to Murder.

Anyone who has read my rants prolly knows that I'm pretty damn left-wing, but if you are committing a crime, you have made a decision to waive all of your civil liberties. If you are killed while committing a crime, well, I guess its an occupational hazard.

No you haven't. Thats absurd. By your logic a 14 year old could be shot or tortured for stealing a packet of chips.

Crime and criminals suck, and their actions make life harder on the rest of us via insane laws, higher cost of goods, insurance, etc. Why do they have to be so protected? And do we, the presumably law-abiding, have to become victims? Hell no, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

They don't have to be so protected, they should get fair trial and sentencing. Premature shooting is far from that. Correct me if I'm wrong but B&E carries a death sentence where?

What is that last part, cliched NRA slogan #2?

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

The fact is that you live a World away and you don't have a clue as to how things are here. Texas is far enough away from me and I'm sure the Laws differ from NJ to Texas. And also, he was CLEARED by a jury so when you call him a vigilante you're wrong.

Umm, how is someone acting against the advice of police (and listen to the convos and prove me wrong) and saying the things he did, and doing something against the law (in shooting the other dude who didn't rush him) NOT vigilante? My location is realistically irrelevant. no one here is going to change laws or make something happen, it's a debate on an internet forum.

IMHO, having a few vigilantes is the least of our problems here. People are obviously sick and tired of getting robbed, assaulted, and watching drug deals go down in their neighborhoods.

Maybe they should look into why these things happen instead of dehuminising people and having kneee jerk reactions.

I don't own a gun but i keep a baseball bat in my bedroom and i have a few hammers laying around. If someone comes onto my property with ill intent I'm swinging first and asking questions later.

Someone running accross your lawn is inherently different from someone coming into your house or threatening your property.

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Oh well, if it was just a crowbar. Yep, the appropriate response is to just stand there and get your head bashed in.

I didn't say that. I DID say that blowing the dudes brains out (FROM BEHIND READ THE REPORT) is completely ridiculous and outside of any logical or reasonable self defense rationale I've heard of.

OH NOES SOMEONE RUNS AT ME LETS KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Juggernaut]

Give it up bro, you can argue till your blue in the face, your not changing anyones mind, just like we wont change yours...


This is one of those times you just accept the things you can not change.

Peace.


Seriously.

 

[CharFace]

OH NOES SOMEONE RUNS AT ME LETS KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!

Now you've got it

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Give it up bro, you can argue till your blue in the face, your not changing anyones mind, just like we wont change yours...


This is one of those times you just accept the things you can not change.

Peace.


Seriously.

I wish there was peace.

But these guys are too easy to argue with, it's like being thrown points to rebut. Hell the discussion on HC was on a completely different level, there IS not competition here. Except made PhishPhood.

 

[Juggernaut]

but whats the point?

there isn't one.

your NOT proving ANYTHING, no matter how badly you want to believe you are, your NOT going to change anyones mind, with an arguement on Rig-Talk......

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

but whats the point?

there isn't one.

your NOT proving ANYTHING, no matter how badly you want to believe you are, your NOT going to change anyones mind, with an arguement on Rig-Talk......

I know theres no point. But I get a kick out of it, and hey, it makes me feel a lot better about leaving the states and living here.

Thats worth the frustration alone.

 

[Odin]

That doesn't negate the fact that it happens. I'd say the recidivism rate for lifers in prison is almost 100% as nearly all of them are involved in some sort of criminal activity in prison. They have nothing to lose and they act like it.

So you ask for figures than don't provide any, than provide (instead) an incredibly biased and most likely completely ridiculous figure. Your a statisticians nightmare. Blanketing people as they is nothing but plain ignorance and shameful generalisation that only shows how ridiculous your opinions are. Not all criminals are the same maestro. A 14 year old getting caught shop lifting and a child molester aren't in the same league. Neither are someone B&E and someone commiting murder. To treat them as such is simply insane.

You aren't making any sense. 14 year old shoplifters aren't put in prison. People in prison are felons. The serious violent felons who would be eligible for the death penalty are in there with other felons, many of whom are non-violent drug offenders, and those violent felons continue to commit crimes against their fellow inmates.

 

[Copperhead]

Uh.......dude. Once again you fail at reading and comprehension.

Clearly, you are emotionally charged and not in complete control of yourself right now, which is, by the way greatly raising the entertainment value of this thread.

Please regain some form of reason, I will try to explain to you how an iron crowbar could be used as a deadly weapon. I will also explain the US laws regarding "disparity of force".

Here we have two young men, larger physically, and one old man....

The "disparity of force" in this case is:
Two against one.
Physical size and ability to do harm based on that disparity.
Presence of a deadly weapon. (the crowbar)

Now, the disparity of force is only one element of this case. The aggravating factors are that there was intent or threat to do bodily harm by the two, that in itself according to US law is a felony assault. Also there was another felony being committed at the time......

So in the end, you have a weaker, smaller man being criminally assaulted with a deadly weapon by two people of superior physical ability and size, during the commission of a felony....the end result of the legal process is not at all a surprise.

Next will come the civil lawsuits. If I were the shooter, I would sue those two and their families for causing me the emotional stress of having to use deadly force to defend myself and kill one of them in the process. Of course, the two felons will try to sue the shooter for wrongful death or some sort of negligency. Both the original lawsuit and the counter-suit will be dropped and the only people making money will be the lawyers.

Interesting side note: If this would have happened in Arizona, the surviving felon would be arrested for murder. We have a law that states you can be charged if anyone is killed in the commission of your felony!

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

You aren't making any sense. 14 year old shoplifters aren't put in prison. People in prison are felons. The serious violent felons who would be eligible for the death penalty are in there with other felons, many of whom are non-violent drug offenders, and those violent felons continue to commit crimes against their fellow inmates.

Based on what? Your intuition? Want to sustantiate that with fact? Or just speculate?

FWIW I found this written in a report I read.

"one of the men ran towards Joe but turned away towards the street and was shot in the back"

Oh wow, so the dude wasn't even going to attack him and he got shot! RAD!!!!!!!!!