Wed-dry-wet question

[gbsmusic]

I tried to sell my 5150 combo after I bought my Axe but it didn't sell so I'm going to try a w/d/w set-up, I've never done this before so my 1st question is. Do I just buy an A-B box and go 1 to the Axe and the other to the 5150? Is that the best way to do it? Thanks for any help.

 

[thiswaythatway]

We should have a w/d/w thread sticky, or a sub forum. I'm thinking of going w/d with my Fortin. I'll either get a Hotplate or the Suhr ISO box, now what poweramp to get?

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

We should have a w/d/w thread sticky, or a sub forum. I'm thinking of going w/d with my Fortin. I'll either get a Hotplate or the Suhr ISO box, now what poweramp to get?

Wait till you see what my partner and myself are going to be showing at the Nashville amp show! Wet/Dry/Wet...wet dream!

 

[locoed]

I wanna try WD also,but no matter what I don't get it duhhhh.
I would have to see it in person to understand how it works.
All the hype I hear,I'm dying to try it out.

 

[mentoneman]

right now in my jam room i have my tol 100 dry into my bogner 4x12 and a line out from my hotplate to the timeline delay into a tech 21 power engine 60 1x12 combo for the wet amp/cab.


sounds pretty spiffy.

 

[Sixtonoize]

I wanna try WD also,but no matter what I don't get it duhhhh.
I would have to see it in person to understand how it works.
All the hype I hear,I'm dying to try it out.

Check this out:

You've got two amps. Your guitar is split going into both of them.
One of them has FX (Wet). One doesn't (Dry).
For W/D/W, you just add another amp with FX so the FX are in stereo.

 

[dougiefresh]

Hearing Pat's rig made me have Dave F. put a line out in my little Jet City head.

I should be able to run my wet signal from the line out to my TC repeater to power to speaker(s).
Does that sound right?

 

[buddaman71]

I personally just use a Radial BigShot to ABY either my Budda SD18 or even Line6 Flextone III amp along with my GSP1101 rig and it sounds huge.
When I use the Flextone III, I also MIDI out of the GSP to control everything via my Control 2 footpedal. Simple and easy.

It's affordable, sounds freakin' awesome and only takes about 5 minutes to set up.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Hearing Pat's rig made me have Dave F. put a line out in my little Jet City head.

I should be able to run my wet signal from the line out to my TC repeater to power to speaker(s).
Does that sound right?

That sounds right. Line out > FX > poweramp > speakers. Remember that your amp NEEDS it's own cab for the dry sound, you can't just just run the line out into the effects for the wet sound only.

I want to do a Wet/Dry but for the wet i have a 2x12 cab but i want to wire that in stereo for my wet side.

 

[7 Stringer]

I just set up a WDW rig myself, i too didn`t understand how it worked but i went ahead and did it.

And i will never go back!!!!!

I`m running a Peters Gryphon dry with 2 4X12`s stacked in the middle. Also paired with an ISP sub.

Then line out to my TC G System for effects.

Then stereo out to a Crown stereo power amp.

Then out to the 2 external 4x12`s for the stereo effects.

When you engage some detune and some reverb, just watch out, the sound is so huge it`s silly.

Think Poundcake from Van Halen.

Just got that white 7 string and it

Chris

PS that empty spot on the Cobra is gonna be filled soon with a nice big Meathead

 

[~Abstract~]

I wanna try WD also,but no matter what I don't get it duhhhh.
I would have to see it in person to understand how it works.
All the hype I hear,I'm dying to try it out.

Check this out:

You've got two amps. Your guitar is split going into both of them.
One of them has FX (Wet). One doesn't (Dry).
For W/D/W, you just add another amp with FX so the FX are in stereo.

stereo or dual-mono? I guess it depends on the actual effects units?

I still don't get it...doesn't the dry get louder as the wet gets more effects? When I engage my carboncopy...I lose volume...same with Whammy (though less so)...I run whammy first...so I'd split before that? Wouldn't I need multiple overdrives in order to get boost on both?

 

[Anonymous]

We should have a w/d/w thread sticky

Agreed and here is what should be in it :

Here is how to run Wet/Dry/Wet. Of course, normally you would use three cabs (Left Cab/Right Cab wet and center cab dry). I simulate this with two cabs - 1 mono and 1 stereo for the wet L/R...

Pictures are below. Here is the signal flow. Guitar goes into Egnater Seminar amp. I then have the 16 ohm output of the amp going into the mono 4x12 the amp is sitting on for my dry sound. I then take the line out of the Seminar amp (if your amp doesn't have a line out, put one in for $10, or get a HotPlate or Suhr line out box) into my Axe-FX for stereo effects and then the stereo outs of the Axe-FX into my stereo VHT 2/50/2 power amp and then out to the stereo 4x12 my effects rack is sitting on for stereo effects. So effectively, I'm running Wet/Dry/Wet (not exactly, but close enough!). I have a patch set on the Axe-FX for this configuration that is a stereo micropitchshift (+/- 9 cents L/R) and 500 ms delay right and 250ms delay left (both ducked so rhythms are clear). I then adjust the dry and wet volumes so that the effects are in the background to the dry sound just adding a bit of thickness to the sound. Sounds killer in the room

That's it...

Anyway, here are some pics of the rig:

Steve

 

[King Guitar]

I am a huge W/D/W fan.

Take the line out from your head (I use a Bogner 20th XTC) and run it into a stereo FX unit (I use TC 2290 Dynamic Delay) then out to a Stereo Power Amp (in the video below I used a VHT Classic but I now use a H&H V800 Out to two Speaker Cabs split wide left and right. These are your wet cabs with all the Delay/Reverb whatever... Your center cab in the head dry into it. You are now W/D/W Tri Amping. It is the best sound you will ever get for guitar. Lush 3D and vibrant.

My Bogner rig clean and swirling W/D/W sounds like this:

 

[Sixtonoize]

stereo or dual-mono? I guess it depends on the actual effects units?

You'll need true stereo FX for them to be stereo.
For, you know...obvious reasons.

I still don't get it...doesn't the dry get louder as the wet gets more effects?

Why would it? The Dry should stay the same level no matter what you do the Wet side.

When I engage my carboncopy...I lose volume...same with Whammy (though less so)...I run whammy first...so I'd split before that?

Using high-quality rack FX with adjustable input and output volumes will take care of this.
If you really want to do a W/D rig with your whammy signal, you'll need to split before it.

Wouldn't I need multiple overdrives in order to get boost on both?

You could split the signal after the OD, or split it before and use two different ODs that are each optimized for the specific amps.

 

[~Abstract~]

stereo or dual-mono? I guess it depends on the actual effects units?

You'll need true stereo FX for them to be stereo.
For, you know...obvious reasons.

I still don't get it...doesn't the dry get louder as the wet gets more effects?

Why would it? The Dry should stay the same level no matter what you do the Wet side.

When I engage my carboncopy...I lose volume...same with Whammy (though less so)...I run whammy first...so I'd split before that?

Using high-quality rack FX with adjustable input and output volumes will take care of this.
If you really want to do a W/D rig with your whammy signal, you'll need to split before it.

Wouldn't I need multiple overdrives in order to get boost on both?

You could split the signal after the OD, or split it before and use two different ODs that are each optimized for the specific amps.

OK...sorry...I meant in relation to the wet signal...the dry would be louder...I guess high quality efx are the key here.

Can I use the line out from my Rectoverb at the same time I run a cabinet? I thought you were supposed to run the amp on stdby with line out....I could have been running this thing in dual mono...to my Twister F3...

Maybe I just need to play around...I don't have any rack gear...yet.


thx for the quick reply!

 

[Sixtonoize]

Can I use the line out from my Rectoverb at the same time I run a cabinet? I thought you were supposed to run the amp on stdby with line out....I could have been running this thing in dual mono...to my Twister F3...

I believe that the Line Out on the RoV is always active, so you can run it set up like normal, then run the Line Out into your FX and into a power amp and cab. For true stereo FX, you'll need an additional power amp and cab.

You won't hurt anything by using the Line Out as long as you have a speaker plugged into the RoV.
I think you may have misunderstood the intent - you can use the Line Out (only) as long as the amp is on Standby. If you want to take the amp off Standby, you'll need a speaker.

 

[~Abstract~]

Can I use the line out from my Rectoverb at the same time I run a cabinet? I thought you were supposed to run the amp on stdby with line out....I could have been running this thing in dual mono...to my Twister F3...

I believe that the Line Out on the RoV is always active, so you can run it set up like normal, then run the Line Out into your FX and into a power amp and cab. For true stereo FX, you'll need an additional power amp and cab.

You won't hurt anything by using the Line Out as long as you have a speaker plugged into the RoV.
I think you may have misunderstood the intent - you can use the Line Out (only) as long as the amp is on Standby. If you want to take the amp off Standby, you'll need a speaker.

I'm still punching myself in the dick for not thinking about running the line out to another amp...

 

[Zachman]

I am not a big fan of W/D/W. I prefer to have dry signal in my "wet" cabinets as well. It sounds a lot bigger and better.

So that means I like W-D/D/W-D.

 

[mentoneman]

Hearing Pat's rig made me have Dave F. put a line out in my little Jet City head.

I should be able to run my wet signal from the line out to my TC repeater to power to speaker(s).
Does that sound right?

yes as long as the jet's line out doesn't overload the tc pedal. set the amp clean, take the line out to the pedal, and send the pedal output to power/speaker.
if the repeats are distorted you're overloading the pedal's input.

i use the hotplate for a few reasons.

1) it allows me to have a variable level control knob on my line out signal, so i can fine tune the signal level going into my fx device, from instrument level ready pedals, which can clip easily if the signal to them is not attenuated, to line level rack gear which expect line level signals.

2) it allows me to open up the power section more which fattens the tone and affords less preamp gain.

3) it has that noise reduction lightbulb circuit which knocks down hiss from the amp.

4) the bright and deep switches are useful at various volumes.

 

[mentoneman]

I tried to sell my 5150 combo after I bought my Axe but it didn't sell so I'm going to try a w/d/w set-up, I've never done this before so my 1st question is. Do I just buy an A-B box and go 1 to the Axe and the other to the 5150? Is that the best way to do it? Thanks for any help.

for your rig:

gtr->axe fx in-(axe fx pedal type models and effects you'd run in front of the amp; drive boxes, tremolo, compressor, univibe)->

axe output 2 = axe's own effects loop send ( program internal mixer of axe for fx loop in the path)->

5150 input->

5150 speaker out to hotplate/dry cab (w/d/w rigs benefit from 4x12 dry cab but 2x12 or 1x12 works)

line out of hotplate return to axe fx (for post preamp effects like delay/chorus/reverb/etc)

axe L/R out to stereo power/cabs