Wet-Dry-Wet setup

[Docster]

I am thinking about setting up a WDW rig at home. Currently, my signal chain looks like the following:
Guitar --> pedalboard (wah-tuner-OD) --> Lehle Little Dual switcher:
• Output A from the Lehle runs into a BE100 --> Friedman 2x12 on one side and an Orange 2x12 on the other
• Output B from the Lehle runs into a Diezel Herbert --> Mills Acoustics 2x12 in the center
My time-based effect (TC Flashback) is in the loop of the BE100.

Am I correct in guessing this is just a W-D rig with the Wet being in stereo? What can I do to take the next step? Do I have to get a stereo effects processor? What else would I have to do?

Any input is greatly appreciated.

 

[eternal_idol]

Yup just stereo currently.

I'm not sure if the regular TC flashback can process two different delay times at once, i've never tried i've only run it mono

eh.. you could take the tc out of the BE loop, put a load box after the BE find a chorus that does in phase stereo splitting, second delay might be needed and depending how wet you actually wanna get a Reverb like the HoF that works in stereo then a stereo power amp powering the Friedman and Orange cabs

 

[Faded Abyss]

Yeah that's just wet/dry (assuming you have your flashback on drykill if you can)

Sort of confusing to utilize everything you have but you would need to run the stereo out of your flashback into a power amp that has 2 channels, to keep the processed stereo signal from being summed back to mono like you're doing.

Plug one lead of the flashback into the effects return of a THIRD amp haha.

 

[Alex_S]

If I get you setup right you play a W-D setup with mono W but through two speakers, right? So yes, the next step is to make it W-D-W by getting the delay stereo, route it to two power amps instead of back to the BE. So you need a stereo (or two mono) poweramps.

Also as far as i hear most people using wdw setups also add some pitch shifting to the wet setup to get it even huger sounding.

 

[eternal_idol]

Yeah that's just wet/dry (assuming you have your flashback on drykill if you can)

Sort of confusing to utilize everything you have but you would need to run the stereo out of your flashback into a power amp that has 2 channels, to keep the processed stereo signal from being summed back to mono like you're doing.

Plug one lead of the flashback into the effects return of a THIRD amp haha.

ya the flash back can do kill dry, not sure if there is physical switch but there is an option in the software.

 

[sg guy]

-ya know I've tried every WD/WDW set up there is, but in the end, after a lot of $$$$ & frustration, I always go back to a true stereo set up, to me it sounds better and definitely less complicated, whatever you use to split the signal will determine how good it sounds, killah amps bro, I think it would sound bad ass with the HERB set up bass heavy and the Friedman mid/treble

 

[moltenmetalburn]

I am thinking about setting up a WDW rig at home. Currently, my signal chain looks like the following:
Guitar --> pedalboard (wah-tuner-OD) --> Lehle Little Dual switcher:
• Output A from the Lehle runs into a BE100 --> Friedman 2x12 on one side and an Orange 2x12 on the other
• Output B from the Lehle runs into a Diezel Herbert --> Mills Acoustics 2x12 in the center
My time-based effect (TC Flashback) is in the loop of the BE100.

Am I correct in guessing this is just a W-D rig with the Wet being in stereo? What can I do to take the next step? Do I have to get a stereo effects processor? What else would I have to do?

Any input is greatly appreciated.

You have wet dry. Not stereo, your effects are only one one side and the flashback is mono.

Wet dry wet is three amps. One dry (center), one for left side effects and one for right side effects.

I have found it is more trouble than worth.

I prefer wet dry like you have already or wet/wet stereo which would require a stereo pedal patched into both amps loops.

 

[Tone Ranger]

It sounds great recording wdw but its can be a royal pain to setup for live use. I used 1x12 cabs for my wet and a 2x12 for dry.

 

[Bronco]

I am thinking about setting up a WDW rig at home. Currently, my signal chain looks like the following:
Guitar --> pedalboard (wah-tuner-OD) --> Lehle Little Dual switcher:
• Output A from the Lehle runs into a BE100 --> Friedman 2x12 on one side and an Orange 2x12 on the other
• Output B from the Lehle runs into a Diezel Herbert --> Mills Acoustics 2x12 in the center
My time-based effect (TC Flashback) is in the loop of the BE100.

Am I correct in guessing this is just a W-D rig with the Wet being in stereo? What can I do to take the next step? Do I have to get a stereo effects processor? What else would I have to do?

Any input is greatly appreciated.

You have wet dry. Not stereo, your effects are only one one side and the flashback is mono.

Wet dry wet is three amps. One dry (center), one for left side effects and one for right side effects.

I have found it is more trouble than worth.

I prefer wet dry like you have already or wet/wet stereo which would require a stereo pedal patched into both amps loops.

Good grief, is this 2009? You don't need three amps for WDW; one amp for dry and a single stereo power amp will handle the wet signal just fine (in fact, I'm pretty sure this is what they were designed for). Not arguing that it's still more of a pain than it's worth...yes, the OP needs a third if he wants to keep the BE and Diezel. If he's willing to let one go, he can replace it with a stereo power amp for his wet signal. Heck, a Matrix 1000 can be had for ~$500 to accomplish this. From there, just make sure the FX are stereo.

 

[RedB4Black]

I have 2 W/D/W set ups in my guitar room. It sounds a lot better going that route vs. using the FX loop. All of my amps have a line out. I go from the line out to a mixer (MLC dual stereo mixer on the Wizards/Friedman and RJM line splitter/mini line mixer on the Bogner/Fryette/ENGL). The mixer is the the key. You can blend in the dry signal to the wet cabs. It sounds a lot better. Like putting a parallel loop on the wet sides.

The FX8 is great for effects before the amp.

 

[sg guy]

^^^^^^^the WIZARDS could take out ten normal amps^^^^^^

 

[moltenmetalburn]

I am thinking about setting up a WDW rig at home. Currently, my signal chain looks like the following:
Guitar --> pedalboard (wah-tuner-OD) --> Lehle Little Dual switcher:
• Output A from the Lehle runs into a BE100 --> Friedman 2x12 on one side and an Orange 2x12 on the other
• Output B from the Lehle runs into a Diezel Herbert --> Mills Acoustics 2x12 in the center
My time-based effect (TC Flashback) is in the loop of the BE100.

Am I correct in guessing this is just a W-D rig with the Wet being in stereo? What can I do to take the next step? Do I have to get a stereo effects processor? What else would I have to do?

Any input is greatly appreciated.

You have wet dry. Not stereo, your effects are only one one side and the flashback is mono.

Wet dry wet is three amps. One dry (center), one for left side effects and one for right side effects.

I have found it is more trouble than worth.

I prefer wet dry like you have already or wet/wet stereo which would require a stereo pedal patched into both amps loops.

Good grief, is this 2009? You don't need three amps for WDW; one amp for dry and a single stereo power amp will handle the wet signal just fine (in fact, I'm pretty sure this is what they were designed for). Not arguing that it's still more of a pain than it's worth...yes, the OP needs a third if he wants to keep the BE and Diezel. If he's willing to let one go, he can replace it with a stereo power amp for his wet signal. Heck, a Matrix 1000 can be had for ~$500 to accomplish this. From there, just make sure the FX are stereo.

Um? An amp and a stereo power amp IS three amps and one preamp in 2017.

 

[Faded Abyss]

I am thinking about setting up a WDW rig at home. Currently, my signal chain looks like the following:
Guitar --> pedalboard (wah-tuner-OD) --> Lehle Little Dual switcher:
• Output A from the Lehle runs into a BE100 --> Friedman 2x12 on one side and an Orange 2x12 on the other
• Output B from the Lehle runs into a Diezel Herbert --> Mills Acoustics 2x12 in the center
My time-based effect (TC Flashback) is in the loop of the BE100.

Am I correct in guessing this is just a W-D rig with the Wet being in stereo? What can I do to take the next step? Do I have to get a stereo effects processor? What else would I have to do?

Any input is greatly appreciated.

You have wet dry. Not stereo, your effects are only one one side and the flashback is mono.

Wet dry wet is three amps. One dry (center), one for left side effects and one for right side effects.

I have found it is more trouble than worth.

I prefer wet dry like you have already or wet/wet stereo which would require a stereo pedal patched into both amps loops.

Good grief, is this 2009? You don't need three amps for WDW; one amp for dry and a single stereo power amp will handle the wet signal just fine (in fact, I'm pretty sure this is what they were designed for). Not arguing that it's still more of a pain than it's worth...yes, the OP needs a third if he wants to keep the BE and Diezel. If he's willing to let one go, he can replace it with a stereo power amp for his wet signal. Heck, a Matrix 1000 can be had for ~$500 to accomplish this. From there, just make sure the FX are stereo.

Um? An amp and a stereo power amp IS three amps and one preamp in 2017.

This..


I am getting so close to saying screw it and getting something like a Helix just for routing, midi control and easy implementation of WDW without having to engineer some kind of crazy set up that would take all the fun out of it...

If the Helix was a little closer to a traditional ES-8 or Mastermind, maybe some more loops.. I'd be on board!

my 2018 WDW set up: go stereo out of Helix/FX8/Headrush into a set self powered studio monitors. That gives me an excuse to also buy another set of studio monitors which can be used for a few different applications.

 

[splawner]

u Here is a very simple setup that I use and sounds killer...I slave both amps into a 1/12 cab... I use a carvin power amp into a line out box and a mxr echo plex delay for my wet cab... very simple setup... once you get a good sounding slave setup you will never look back...

 

[Faded Abyss]

Here is a very simple setup that I use and sounds killer...I slave both amps into a 1/12 cab... I use a carvin power amp into a line out box and a mxr echo plex delay for my wet cab... very simple setup... once you get a good sounding slave setup you will never look back...

The OP mentioned he already has a wet/dry rig? This would be a more simple set up for sure.

 

[Bronco]

I am thinking about setting up a WDW rig at home. Currently, my signal chain looks like the following:
Guitar --> pedalboard (wah-tuner-OD) --> Lehle Little Dual switcher:
• Output A from the Lehle runs into a BE100 --> Friedman 2x12 on one side and an Orange 2x12 on the other
• Output B from the Lehle runs into a Diezel Herbert --> Mills Acoustics 2x12 in the center
My time-based effect (TC Flashback) is in the loop of the BE100.

Am I correct in guessing this is just a W-D rig with the Wet being in stereo? What can I do to take the next step? Do I have to get a stereo effects processor? What else would I have to do?

Any input is greatly appreciated.

You have wet dry. Not stereo, your effects are only one one side and the flashback is mono.

Wet dry wet is three amps. One dry (center), one for left side effects and one for right side effects.

I have found it is more trouble than worth.

I prefer wet dry like you have already or wet/wet stereo which would require a stereo pedal patched into both amps loops.

Good grief, is this 2009? You don't need three amps for WDW; one amp for dry and a single stereo power amp will handle the wet signal just fine (in fact, I'm pretty sure this is what they were designed for). Not arguing that it's still more of a pain than it's worth...yes, the OP needs a third if he wants to keep the BE and Diezel. If he's willing to let one go, he can replace it with a stereo power amp for his wet signal. Heck, a Matrix 1000 can be had for ~$500 to accomplish this. From there, just make sure the FX are stereo.

Um? An amp and a stereo power amp IS three amps and one preamp in 2017.

No. No it isn't. One head + one stereo power amp = WDW. That's all you need. Sure you can do it your way, but why would you?

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewt...&p=1744797&hilit=sah5150+wet+dry+wet#p1744786

 

[7 Stringer]

WDW is a very simple setup that sound so pure and full, it's crazy. Here is my band setup i use in the garage, G system into a Carvin ss stereo amp.

Sounds massive and organic.



I have a similar rig in my basement for private pleasure!!!!!!! Lol



This was a while ago, i am in the process of re doing the rack, just got a rack gizmo and ditched the Pro rack G for the Decimator II pedal, sounds better to me, Looped through the gizmo to patch it in and out depending on the presets i got going.

So much fun.

 

[Docster]

u Here is a very simple setup that I use and sounds killer...I slave both amps into a 1/12 cab... I use a carvin power amp into a line out box and a mxr echo plex delay for my wet cab... very simple setup... once you get a good sounding slave setup you will never look back...

Hmmm, interesting! Can you provide more detail about your signal chain

 

[splawner]

u Here is a very simple setup that I use and sounds killer...I slave both amps into a 1/12 cab... I use a carvin power amp into a line out box and a mxr echo plex delay for my wet cab... very simple setup... once you get a good sounding slave setup you will never look back...

Hmmm, interesting! Can you provide more detail about your signal chain

Sure.... I go from the outputs on back of amps into the line out box... from there into the mxr delay pedal and from the pedal into the carvin power amp from the power amp into the 1/12 cab... and if you want wdw just go from the other channel of power and into your other 1/12 .... you can also buy a rjm mixer to send some dry signal into the wet cab also.... it's very simple and sounds amazing... I would not play an amp without slaving anymore....

 

[Docster]

Thanks for the info