What am i hearing?

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Maybe it's time to look at your cabs / speakers ? Even different guitarcables maybe ?

That Ratt vid sounds like a fairly normal tone but with the presence way low to me.

Giga
 
Maybe a clip or two of something close to what you're going for would be helpful. Throwing around a bunch of tonal buzzwords (some of which could be considered contradictory) isn't going to do you any favors as they are essentially meaningless descriptors that imply different things to different people.

What I got from your description is that you want something like this (yet something tells me that's not really what you're after):

 
from listening to the ratt tune you referenced it sound like a FRIEDMAN HBE modded marshall w/scumbacks.
 
splatter":2j960a0c said:
from listening to the ratt tune you referenced it sound like a FRIEDMAN HBE modded marshall w/scumbacks.
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perhaps you need a Hairy Pink Taco
 
rupe":e9xjzm2j said:
Maybe a clip or two of something close to what you're going for would be helpful. Throwing around a bunch of tonal buzzwords (some of which could be considered contradictory) isn't going to do you any favors as they are essentially meaningless descriptors that imply different things to different people.

What I got from your description is that you want something like this (yet something tells me that's not really what you're after):

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"Mutha" as an example isn't that far off. Actually its closer than I'd like to admit. However, I don't think it has that slightly dark tone I'm looking for. As far as some examples, here ya go-



I like the lead tones on the Sinner song


 
its funny how we all here things differently
Those tones you posted I would say are more on the bright side.

the Dokken and Thin Lizzy are the more classic High gain probably old Marshalls
a freidman BE would get ya that . Another one the Budda superdrive, A third power British dream with new glow mod

the Sinner and VH are more in the modern camp more like A Soldano.
Jet city .Peavey 6505 is more in that range ..

as other said strings, speakers make a huge effect as well

A Splawn Nitro is another option
 
gtr31":19go3l34 said:
its funny how we all here things differently
Those tones you posted I would say are more on the bright side.

the Dokken and Thin Lizzy are the more classic High gain probably old Marshalls
a freidman BE would get ya that . Another one the Budda superdrive, A third power British dream with new glow mod

the Sinner and VH are more in the modern camp more like A Soldano.
Jet city .Peavey 6505 is more in that range ..

as other said strings, speakers make a huge effect as well

A Splawn Nitro is another option
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Ya know... I had 2 Splawn QR's once upon a time. I had 2 because the first one was DOA. They felt stiff to use. They had the feeling of a VHT, but stiffer. I didn't like my Splawns. They just felt like another modded Marshall. I've got a Cameron mts preamp that sounds like a fire breathing Marshall, but it doesn't sound like just another modification. I listened a few short clips of the nitro and so far I'm impressed. If I got one, I don't want it to be like a Quickrod. Is it?
 
Have you checked out the carol-Ann triptik? I've never played one, but the descriptions and clips seem like it could fit your description.
 
I picked up a different cab today, a MESA 2x12. I haven't had a chance to play it with my MTS rig, but I'll give it a whirl Monday and give an update. I've actually wanted a mesa 2x12 for a while now and found a used one, so I couldn't resist getting it. Its so small, but sounds so big. (Its also so heavy) ;)
 
fearhk213":1uv0vz5l said:
Have you checked out the carol-Ann triptik? I've never played one, but the descriptions and clips seem like it could fit your description.
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I belivee Carol-Ann's are too expensive.

Anyhow, i've left this thread alone and un-bothered for the past week, trying to listen to more and more clips, as well as play some amps.

- I played a few Boogie's. I think the MKV is out of the picture. Its a great alp, but not exactly want I want to do at this time. I still can't find a Royal Atlantic, but I played a Mesa Electradyne, which i think is similar. I lover the clean channel, but wasn't a fan of the dirty ones.

I think the Nitro and Soldano/JC amps are out too.

It might be interesting to find and amp with a dunble-esque clean channel, and a great dirt channel like I've described.

I'm slightly curious about Fryette. I've got an MTS preamp that's based on the VHT GP3, and I'm totally digging it. Can anyone compare the Sig X with the Memphis and Pitbull amps?
 
gtr31":qo0zampx said:
its funny how we all here things differently
Those tones you posted I would say are more on the bright side.

the Dokken and Thin Lizzy are the more classic High gain probably old Marshalls
a freidman BE would get ya that . Another one the Budda superdrive, A third power British dream with new glow mod

the Sinner and VH are more in the modern camp more like A Soldano.
Jet city .Peavey 6505 is more in that range ..

as other said strings, speakers make a huge effect as well

A Splawn Nitro is another option
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I was going to say the same thing.. the Dokken and Thin Lizzy are brighter. Also a ton of those tones were boosted with OD's, treble boosters etc.. you are also trying to replicate a produced sound. What comes out the other end of the mic. Try listening and tuning more of your stuff by listening to what comes through your mic preamp.

In your MTS tone quest, have you tried any of Friedman's stuff? I know you tried the judge and didn't like it, but it honestly is one of the most organic and chewy of the MTS. I think it is time to ditch a lot of the modules like Cranky did and just go with amps. You could easily buy an old Marshall or modded marshall used in the classifieds after selling 5 of those salvation modules.Personally i think their price points are ridiculous and most of the time the tone is fizz city.I think people are blowing their loads over cool faceplates and the idea that you have the versatility with the preamps. The SLO I tried was nothing like the tone i had in my head or what i heard on clips elsewhere of real SLO's. So I moved it along. With a lot of MTS, the more the gain goes up, the fizz does too. That's why I roll with a friedman brahma and judge and just boost. For your cleans to sound good you'd need fender modules with 6L6's.. not EL34's.. Anyway why not consider our canadian solution to tons of tones in a box. I posted this a week or two back. Listen to the tones available on this Traynor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh46ofeQHGU Fender cleans, Marshall cut or chewiness. Even a boost built in... I think it sounds fantastic. Sell 80% of your MTS and then have fun with diff cabs/speakers, and a new amp or two.
 
Kapo_Polenton":aewmrr4u said:
gtr31":aewmrr4u said:
its funny how we all here things differently
Those tones you posted I would say are more on the bright side.

the Dokken and Thin Lizzy are the more classic High gain probably old Marshalls
a freidman BE would get ya that . Another one the Budda superdrive, A third power British dream with new glow mod

the Sinner and VH are more in the modern camp more like A Soldano.
Jet city .Peavey 6505 is more in that range ..

as other said strings, speakers make a huge effect as well

A Splawn Nitro is another option
Click to expand...

I was going to say the same thing.. the Dokken and Thin Lizzy are brighter. Also a ton of those tones were boosted with OD's, treble boosters etc.. you are also trying to replicate a produced sound. What comes out the other end of the mic. Try listening and tuning more of your stuff by listening to what comes through your mic preamp.

In your MTS tone quest, have you tried any of Friedman's stuff? I know you tried the judge and didn't like it, but it honestly is one of the most organic and chewy of the MTS. I think it is time to ditch a lot of the modules like Cranky did and just go with amps. You could easily buy an old Marshall or modded marshall used in the classifieds after selling 5 of those salvation modules.Personally i think their price points are ridiculous and most of the time the tone is fizz city.I think people are blowing their loads over cool faceplates and the idea that you have the versatility with the preamps. The SLO I tried was nothing like the tone i had in my head or what i heard on clips elsewhere of real SLO's. So I moved it along. With a lot of MTS, the more the gain goes up, the fizz does too. That's why I roll with a friedman brahma and judge and just boost. For your cleans to sound good you'd need fender modules with 6L6's.. not EL34's.. Anyway why not consider our canadian solution to tons of tones in a box. I posted this a week or two back. Listen to the tones available on this Traynor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh46ofeQHGU Fender cleans, Marshall cut or chewiness. Even a boost built in... I think it sounds fantastic. Sell 80% of your MTS and then have fun with diff cabs/speakers, and a new amp or two.
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For the most part, I agree with you about MTS. It is a great alternative to the real amps. I simply cant afford a VH4 and a CCV and an AC30 and an OD100 and all the other amps- The MTS system has let me explore tones I never would have been able to afford otherwise. But the fizz is always there. I've found that I like 6CA7 tubes the most. I still don't think devices like the Axe FX and Kemper sound authentic to a tube amp that they're supposed to mimic (I have yet to play one though). Most of the Salvation modules are pretty accurate. Converse to you, I think the SLO mod sounds amazing for leads, not so great for everything else. His Mesa Mark IV, Rockerverb, VHT, and CCV are other favorites of mine. Jaded faith is so-so, his Plexi/ Tweed being my favorite of his mods. Voodoo sounds good, but lacks that special sauce. As for Friedman... I had 2 BE's. To get them to sound right to me, I'd have to run my tubes very hot, which would make my other modules sound...well... off. The Phil X demo of the Marsha sounds great! On the other hand, I saw Lynch Mod last summer and George was using a Friedman and it was treble city. Yuck!

When I first started playing guitar (I really sucked BTW) I had a Traynor YCS50. I thought it sounded great, but wasn't "Metal" enough. I think it sounds very similar to a Mesa ED.

I'm not totally looking to get out of MTS. I just want a change. So I've put this thread up in hopes of taking what I like about my MTS tone hunt and trying to find an amp that has the best of everything. There are so many amps out there. I'm sooo picky.
 
1st question where the FIZZ - pre or power ??

you could very well have a mismatched PI cirouit (parts drift) :dunno:

every amp has its plus's and minus's

IMO what your hearing is the Randall's own brand of FIZZ (it's their trademark :D )


its inherent to to the circuit - you need the amp modded / calibrated not the modules

IMO thats why noones gotten an accurate sounding brown sound out of MTS



:no:
 
Also listen to the great Reinhold Bogner .

You will NEVER get a preamp to sound like an amp head .
 
You need to try/play thru a Bogner XTC 20th. If you're looking for what I hear on songs you posted is a strong mid/low mid fundamental, where the meatiness of the actual note comes thru. I have a Friedman BE100 and a Diezel VH4 and Elmwood and MarkV but none of them have what the Bogner does, that strong wide fundamental guitar note within the width of the tone. Just my opinion but you really need to try one I think.
 
Rossness i got nothing for ya then man... you are too picky! :) I don't always acheive the sound i hear in my head or the sound i hear in other people's demos. A lot of it is how good our own chops are and how our ear perceives how an amp or MTS is tuned. Take the SLO-100 for example. I liked it on the crunch channel only. The rest was too woofy and fizzy for me. What about the PT-100?

PS- the beauty of the Traynor is that is isn't metal! :) For my ears anyway.. did you like it's cleans though? Remember also that you could scoop the mids and hit a tubescreamer and bam, metal.
 
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