dstroud
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This is something new to me. But say you want to record your amp with a mic and a direct signal straight from your guitar at the same time for reamping later - just a regular direct box or is there something better?
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Anonymouse
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For my use case with minimal equipment, my all in one solution is the Quad Cortex, I use it with the 4CM using my tube amp then its USB cable to my PC. Can send a DI from it going to my DAW and have used that for reamping. It can take an SM57 as well with it's other input to mic a cab, but I can't vouch for that use case as - haven't used it that way as I don't have an SM57.
If you already have other equipment this one might work for you instead https://www.thomannmusic.com/lehle_p_split_stereo.htm
If you already have other equipment this one might work for you instead https://www.thomannmusic.com/lehle_p_split_stereo.htm
7704A
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What I've just got working is to run my guitar into my 18i20's instrument input, then out the back at line level into a radial JCR reamp box, into the amp. This works because the 18i20 can function as a mixer and directly connect (as far as I can tell) preamplified inputs to outputs. Maybe your interface can do the same. If you do the routing in your computer you'll probably add some latency.
The other option is something like the Suhr buffer which has a dual output, or the old VHT/Fryette Valvulator I which buffers and splits as well. Fryette mentioned reissuing an updated version soon too, but they're not known for prompt product releases.
Whatever you use, it seems like you need some way of buffering the guitar signal to avoid recording a DI affected by the interaction of the amplifier input impedance with the guitar pickups. I'm not sure if the Lehle will do that, I'd have to think more and maybe see the circuit.
The other option is something like the Suhr buffer which has a dual output, or the old VHT/Fryette Valvulator I which buffers and splits as well. Fryette mentioned reissuing an updated version soon too, but they're not known for prompt product releases.
Whatever you use, it seems like you need some way of buffering the guitar signal to avoid recording a DI affected by the interaction of the amplifier input impedance with the guitar pickups. I'm not sure if the Lehle will do that, I'd have to think more and maybe see the circuit.
dstroud
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oh cool I’m using an 18i16 - I’ll have to look into that
shar-vell Dan
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https://www.rattlesnakecables.com/products/utility/
IDK if this helps but great company. They could likely make you whatever you need.
IDK if this helps but great company. They could likely make you whatever you need.
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tjnx
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This is good stuff, I found out the hard way about using a buffer before your DI box and stumbled upon the same Kohle videos. I recommend a buffer as soon as possible and a good sounding DI box as different ones can effect tone. Saturnworks also has active buffered splitters you could use if you get latency with the interface re-route.
I have the cal buffer which is very good but you can get a multi-channel buffer interface for both ends of your chain (saturnworks) or a simple Bonafide Buffer for like 30 bucks.
The one thing I have to look out for is my laptop's power supply introduces hum into the signal, so just try to get it as clean as possible. I was thinking of getting a countryman DI but I can do the interface re-route with like 0 latency so will likely try that first.
https://www.creationaudiolabs.com/redeemer
https://saturnworkspedals.com/
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...-EXlgq_9p5N9rymLvYeQxxp_iRuWj3xvQqubU4Lj_G5qo
Maguchi
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A Morley ABY pedal. It's the cat's meow 
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, the bee's knees , the snake's hips .
7704A
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I had a look at the Lehle P-Split Stereo manual, and I think it won't take care of that buffering issue I mentioned. Here's the manual: https://support.lehle.com/en/LEHLE-P-SPLIT-STEREO
The relevant section is "WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE" under "Preconditions for Passive Splitting":
So it sounds like you still have to worry about interactions between amp and guitar impedances. This checks out, from what they say elsewhere it sounds like the transformers involved are 1-to-1, no impedance matching involved. So you'd need a buffer before the P-Split.
The relevant section is "WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE" under "Preconditions for Passive Splitting":
So it sounds like you still have to worry about interactions between amp and guitar impedances. This checks out, from what they say elsewhere it sounds like the transformers involved are 1-to-1, no impedance matching involved. So you'd need a buffer before the P-Split.
Music&Chaos
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Just saw this. What you want is the Lehle P-Split. Does not affect tone whatsoever.
You do not need the P-Split stereo mentioned above, just the normal P-Split.
It's just called the P-Split III.
You do not need the P-Split stereo mentioned above, just the normal P-Split.
It's just called the P-Split III.
Music&Chaos
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Here is the one you want. This is specifically for reamping. I am doing the same as you - micing the rig live and also splitting the signal out to my DI for reamping later.
Works perfect.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...qMsqPWhyiIQqTXF0LzmDnVtAUj253XcBoCyaMQAvD_BwE
Works perfect.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...qMsqPWhyiIQqTXF0LzmDnVtAUj253XcBoCyaMQAvD_BwE
- Perfect for splitting signals, balancing instruments for maximum signal integrity, and guitar amp reamplification
- German-made from premium components
- Lehle transformer splits both hi-Z and lo-Z signals
dstroud
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cool man thanks I was thinking something like this
saxxamafone
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7704A
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Nice to know they make a mono/non-stereo-specific one. However looking at the manual it'd still have the same apparent issues mentioned above if not used with a buffer. https://support.lehle.com/en/LEHLE-P-SPLIT-III
They quite possibly mean sending a DI signal from a DAW/interface to an amp, which is one of the examples they show/give, and which wouldn't have the issue Kohle's video mentions. They do also mention using it as a DI and show that, however they make clear (elsewhere) that it doesn't perform any buffering and things like long cable runs will affect tone, so it seems like it's not immune to the DI box problem raised by Kohle.
But, not in all possible combinations without tone loss (see manual). If I'm reading things right, your guitar still sees the exact same impedances as before just galvanically isolated because the transformers are 1-to-1, meaning the amp can still load down and darken the signal being recorded by the computer.
Music&Chaos
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IDK, all I can say is that I use it with my tube amp and my DI with zero issues and I do not use a buffer anywhere.
I use one of those Behringer Uphoria models. Maybe the input of the device has an input buffer built in or something?
Weird. Idk. Best of luck!
7704A
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Any other pedals in the signal chain, or active pickups? Also what amp?
Music&Chaos
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Nope. Passive. Even if I had pedals, everything I have is true bypass 100% but I am not using them in this scenario (and 99% of the time in general tbh). Straight into a Rivera all tube amp. My Uphoria says "Midas preamp" on it. I would guess it does the part mentioned in the manual, as does most DIs, which is probably why they state it is perfect for reamplification.
pipelineaudio
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Another plus for low impedance pickups
Music&Chaos
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"not in all possible combinations without tone loss (see manual)"
Hey, I just realized I missed part of your post. Yes, I would imagine in a W/D/W scenario or some more advanced setup like a Helix, etc, it would need a buffer possibly.
RedB4Black
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RedB4Black
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I also have the previous generation of this...
https://fortinamps.com/products/art...wXwn1-2feVRlx3xwQAEWJa-0tTokn_ZY_8G63GlzJOc4y
https://fortinamps.com/products/art...wXwn1-2feVRlx3xwQAEWJa-0tTokn_ZY_8G63GlzJOc4y
