What kind of pedalboard you guys using?

[richedie]

I recently picked up a Turbo Tuner and it kicks serious ass. It's a strobe so it is super accurate, and the note-tracking is faster than anything I've seen.

Here's a comparison between the TT and a Strobostomp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bY9H7ec6_0

I would rather have the TT over the Peterson anyday, but the Korg DT-10 looks nice. I wonder if it is true bypass not that I think that really matters much. In the end, I save my accurate Korg tuner for home use when reocridng and intonating. Live, the Boss TU-1 easily gets the job done, is reliable and has a nice buffer. If I need to make more room on my board I can get the Boss TU-12. I can't see spending the cash for these other tuners but that is ME, not you guys.

To save space I will consider the TT or Boss TU-12 which is cheaper!

On the pedalboard, I am going to try the risers on my Furman and if that does not get it done I'll look at the pedaltrain and a power supply. I just need to make sure the Pedaltrain II which is an inch shorter than my Furman will get it done.

 

[Klark]

..the Korg DT-10 looks nice. I wonder if it is true bypass not that I think that really matters much..

No, the DT-10 is NOT true bypass, but it can't be really because it buffers your signal. I've used other buffers before, and a few of them will sound good with one amp, and then not so good on another amp. I've tested my DT-10 with almost every amp in my rental inventory and found that I just can't live without it now.

 

[aeroic]

I recently picked up a Turbo Tuner and it kicks serious ass. It's a strobe so it is super accurate, and the note-tracking is faster than anything I've seen.

Here's a comparison between the TT and a Strobostomp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bY9H7ec6_0

I would rather have the TT over the Peterson anyday, but the Korg DT-10 looks nice. I wonder if it is true bypass not that I think that really matters much. In the end, I save my accurate Korg tuner for home use when reocridng and intonating. Live, the Boss TU-1 easily gets the job done, is reliable and has a nice buffer. If I need to make more room on my board I can get the Boss TU-12. I can't see spending the cash for these other tuners but that is ME, not you guys.

To save space I will consider the TT or Boss TU-12 which is cheaper!

On the pedalboard, I am going to try the risers on my Furman and if that does not get it done I'll look at the pedaltrain and a power supply. I just need to make sure the Pedaltrain II which is an inch shorter than my Furman will get it done.

Have to say Rich....you saying a Boss tuner having a nice buffer calls your tastes into suspect for me!

I think it's a tone sucker for sure. I'd much rather have a whammy vs a Boss tuner inline w/ my signal! Every boss tuner I used inline sucked tone.

Eric

 

[richedie]

I don't hear it Eric, neither do some of the best guitarists in my area. Maybe if you sit in front of monitor speakers in a studio and did A/B comparisons - you might hear a difference.

Dude, I think you are splitting hairs at this point. The difference is SLIGHT!

All I know is the last gig I did was over at a medium sized club in Jersey, I had all my pedal in line, Boss and everything. People came up saying it was one of the best tones they had heard, period! You guys are familiar with this using the Egnater Randall mod stuff anyway. I also heard it from the audience and there was nothing I would have changed. It never occured to me that the tuner was sucking tone....LOL!!!!

So, I guess the Peterson and Turbo Tuner are true bypass. Well, I don't have another choice anyway unless I get all true bypass pedals and a buffer for a minor change at best. Problem is, some of the Boss pedals are killer! A Monte Allums modded SD-1 is as good as my BB easily, just different, the Boss BF-2 is a great flanger....so I guess I have to live with some Boss pedals. LOL.

 

[Klark]

If your gain is all saturated over the top, and your just banging out bar chords, then no, you're not gonna hear much difference. But if you turn down the fucking gain, play normally or better yet play lightly, listen to and feel the dynamics, listen to how the notes swell & fade, you'll hear that TU2, trust me. If you can't, then I'm sorry for you..

 

[warlok1965]

Tone suck issues aside, I have owned and used several tuners including Peterson strobe and the TU-2 and the Turbo Tuner is hands down my favorite. Besides the true bypass factor, the display is much nicer (rotating motion strobe display as opposed to needles or LEDs). So I have retired my much less accurate TU-2 and put the TT at the front of my chain.

 

[jlbaxe]

Im going with a peterson rack tuner. I have my kids Korg tuner and it is a great pedal, better than the sabine rt1600 in my rack but that is 20 yrs old and still working....Barely! I also run into the tuner and keep it out of the chain.

 

[jlbaxe]

Anyone have a great way to build your own pedal boards?

 

[Klark]

Anyone have a great way to build your own pedal boards?

Have read through this thread? There's like 4 different ways to do it clearly stated already. Wood like mine, metal like Eric's Trailor Trash version, aluminum frame like from PedalTrain, and even a kitchen cutting board material idea. If you can't pick one of those, then how about ceramic? Go to the art store, buy some clay, form yourself up something nice, throw it in the kiln, and viola! Or better yet, how about a 'green' pedalboard, made out of mud, adobe style!

 

[richedie]

If you guys prefer a true bypass tuner, there is also the Korg Pitchblack.

I don't always play with a lot of gain and actually prefer to play clean much of the time and no I don't hear huge difference with true bypass and without. There is a difference but it can easily be made up by using your amp's controls. Most pedals are said to lower volume and decrease treble. I tend to find even with standard pedals, I still have too much treble much of the time. I prefer darker tones but that is me. Hey, many of our guitar heros used vintage non-true bypass pedals.

With true bypass, don't you introduce a new problem? The inability to drive longer cable lengths? From everything I have read, a buffer will only drive the pedals and sound when all other pedals after the buffer are off...so if you have one pedal in the chain on all or most of the time, the first buffer unit is not doing much. Is that true? I have read this a few times.

Klark, you said you use the DT-10? Is that true bypass? I think you said no but it doesn't kill your tone?

I am not sure who you accuse of playing bar chords and metal...but that is not me. The guys I jam with now are more into jazz, blues and classic rock. Were you talking about someone else?

Look at Eric's board. It has a big old Dunlop wah on it that is not true bypass and he gets by just fine. I found the same with my tuner and my Dunlop wah as well.

 

[aeroic]

If you guys prefer a true bypass tuner, there is also the Korg Pitchblack.

I don't always play with a lot of gain and actually prefer to play clean much of the time and no I don't hear huge difference with true bypass and without. There is a difference but it can easily be made up by using your amp's controls. Most pedals are said to lower volume and decrease treble. I tend to find even with standard pedals, I still have too much treble much of the time. I prefer darker tones but that is me. Hey, many of our guitar heros used vintage non-true bypass pedals.

With true bypass, don't you introduce a new problem? The inability to drive longer cable lengths? From everything I have read, a buffer will only drive the pedals and sound when all other pedals after the buffer are off...so if you have one pedal in the chain on all or most of the time, the first buffer unit is not doing much. Is that true? I have read this a few times.

Klark, you said you use the DT-10? Is that true bypass? I think you said no but it doesn't kill your tone?

I am not sure who you accuse of playing bar chords and metal...but that is not me. The guys I jam with now are more into jazz, blues and classic rock. Were you talking about someone else?

Look at Eric's board. It has a big old Dunlop wah on it that is not true bypass and he gets by just fine. I found the same with my tuner and my Dunlop wah as well.

But one of the only Dunlop wah's that I've played that doesn't suck tone.

 

[aeroic]

I don't hear it Eric, neither do some of the best guitarists in my area. Maybe if you sit in front of monitor speakers in a studio and did A/B comparisons - you might hear a difference.

Dude, I think you are splitting hairs at this point. The difference is SLIGHT!

All I know is the last gig I did was over at a medium sized club in Jersey, I had all my pedal in line, Boss and everything. People came up saying it was one of the best tones they had heard, period! You guys are familiar with this using the Egnater Randall mod stuff anyway. I also heard it from the audience and there was nothing I would have changed. It never occured to me that the tuner was sucking tone....LOL!!!!

So, I guess the Peterson and Turbo Tuner are true bypass. Well, I don't have another choice anyway unless I get all true bypass pedals and a buffer for a minor change at best. Problem is, some of the Boss pedals are killer! A Monte Allums modded SD-1 is as good as my BB easily, just different, the Boss BF-2 is a great flanger....so I guess I have to live with some Boss pedals. LOL.

I never run a tuner inline anyways. I've always ran them w/ something like a BS2 buffer to get it out of my signal and have it on all the time. So I don't care if it's true bypass or not. Nor do I stomp on it ever, hence no reliability issues.

You also forget people like myself do a lot of recording too. I prefer to just record w/ my rig, so I do care about tone going to tape. I want the purest tone to be present on what I record. Hence why I don't use a TU2 either. I've just never been one to "settle" for something good enough. If I did..I'd be using a Marshall JCM800.

Eric

 

[richedie]

..the Korg DT-10 looks nice. I wonder if it is true bypass not that I think that really matters much..

No, the DT-10 is NOT true bypass, but it can't be really because it buffers your signal. I've used other buffers before, and a few of them will sound good with one amp, and then not so good on another amp. I've tested my DT-10 with almost every amp in my rental inventory and found that I just can't live without it now.

Does it track fast? As fast as the turbo tuner?

On the buffer guys, I prefer my first pedal to be a buffer. Whether a buffer like the Axess or a tuner like the DT-10 makes no difference, but I prefer it be the tuner - to save space.

On the Boss tuner, If I can hear the difference as slight as it may be and I actually prefer it, would that make me in the wrong? If the answer is yes, then could you come down off the mountain and see things from another angle? Everyone has an opinion.

Eric, a good friend plays a JCM 800 with tube screamer up front. His tone is drop dead gorgeous. Open thy mind, son.

 

[aeroic]

..the Korg DT-10 looks nice. I wonder if it is true bypass not that I think that really matters much..

No, the DT-10 is NOT true bypass, but it can't be really because it buffers your signal. I've used other buffers before, and a few of them will sound good with one amp, and then not so good on another amp. I've tested my DT-10 with almost every amp in my rental inventory and found that I just can't live without it now.

Does it track fast? As fast as the turbo tuner?

On the buffer guys, I prefer my first pedal to be a buffer. Whether a buffer like the Axess or a tuner like the DT-10 makes no difference, but I prefer it be the tuner - to save space.

On the Boss tuner, If I can hear the difference as slight as it may be and I actually prefer it, would that make me in the wrong? If the answer is yes, then could you come down off the mountain and see things from another angle? Everyone has an opinion.

Eric, a good friend plays a JCM 800 with tube screamer up front. His tone is drop dead gorgeous. Open thy mind, son.

Open my mind? Hrm...I'm a guy who used a JCM 800 or a silver Jubilee as my main rig for about 3-4 years? OK . I will then! I was just always wanting more diverse tones in a smaller setup. Why in the heck do you think I was "tone chasing" trying to get that "Silver Jubilee" / JCM800 snarl w/ the GNR module? Because I still wanted that tone. But, I definitely wouldn't want to just have that as my only tone...the JCM800 is kinda a one trick pony...a great one at that...but I would definitely feel I'd be settling for that tone.

 

[jlbaxe]

Anyone have a great way to build your own pedal boards?

Have read through this thread? There's like 4 different ways to do it clearly stated already. Wood like mine, metal like Eric's Trailor Trash version, aluminum frame like from PedalTrain, and even a kitchen cutting board material idea. If you can't pick one of those, then how about ceramic? Go to the art store, buy some clay, form yourself up something nice, throw it in the kiln, and viola! Or better yet, how about a 'green' pedalboard, made out of mud, adobe style!

Topic went from "what kind of pedal boards" to "your tuner sucks tone mine is better" topic so I figured Id ask "Anyone have a great way to build your own pedal boards?" as a joke since IT was off topic instead of the REAL TOPIC!!!!

Hey Klark I really like your pedalboard. Did you build it? I'm thinking of doing one similar to that but with 2 more wah/vol pedals. Is the wood covered with something or is that solid wood and not plywood. I like the pattern. Be cool to see some exotic wood pedalboards.

 

[aeroic]

Anyone have a great way to build your own pedal boards?

Have read through this thread? There's like 4 different ways to do it clearly stated already. Wood like mine, metal like Eric's Trailor Trash version, aluminum frame like from PedalTrain, and even a kitchen cutting board material idea. If you can't pick one of those, then how about ceramic? Go to the art store, buy some clay, form yourself up something nice, throw it in the kiln, and viola! Or better yet, how about a 'green' pedalboard, made out of mud, adobe style!

Topic went from "what kind of pedal boards" to "your tuner sucks tone mine is better" topic so I figured Id ask "Anyone have a great way to build your own pedal boards?" as a joke since IT was off topic instead of the REAL TOPIC!!!!

Hey Klark I really like your pedalboard. Did you build it? I'm thinking of doing one similar to that but with 2 more wah/vol pedals. Is the wood covered with something or is that solid wood and not plywood. I like the pattern. Be cool to see some exotic wood pedalboards.

Yeah he built it himself...and it's solid wood from what I remember him telling me about it. I think his pedalboard is damn cool too man Very functional yet still very nice looking!

 

[jlbaxe]

Yes its very cool. I need something like that for my GCP. All my pedals are on a rack except my wah and vol/exp pedals. Klarks looks very balanced. Maybe if I did sort of what he has but with the idea like "trailer trash" to link pedal boards and keep my extra 2 exp. and wah on another board. make them so they close together like a suit case for transporting.

 

[Gino]

..the Korg DT-10 looks nice. I wonder if it is true bypass not that I think that really matters much..

No, the DT-10 is NOT true bypass, but it can't be really because it buffers your signal. I've used other buffers before, and a few of them will sound good with one amp, and then not so good on another amp. I've tested my DT-10 with almost every amp in my rental inventory and found that I just can't live without it now.

Does it track fast? As fast as the turbo tuner?

On the buffer guys, I prefer my first pedal to be a buffer. Whether a buffer like the Axess or a tuner like the DT-10 makes no difference, but I prefer it be the tuner - to save space.

On the Boss tuner, If I can hear the difference as slight as it may be and I actually prefer it, would that make me in the wrong? If the answer is yes, then could you come down off the mountain and see things from another angle? Everyone has an opinion.

Eric, a good friend plays a JCM 800 with tube screamer up front. His tone is drop dead gorgeous. Open thy mind, son.

The point is that the BOSS buffer has been proven to provide less than unity gain. Of all the people on this board, I would think that you would understand why that's not a good thing. The argument here is that some people aren't going to settle for putting 100% in and only getting 90% (or whatever the loss is) out. If you're ok with that loss and can't hear a difference, cool. The point is that it's there and a lossy buffer would not be considered "nice" by most people's standards. There's nothing wrong with having a buffer in your chain. In fact, having a 100% true bypass/no buffer pedal chain will not sound the same as the guitar straight into the amp.