Where can metal go from here?

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For a while I was getting into newer metal bands. A local station plays a lot of obscure metal but now soooo much of it sounds the same. The local station, 89.5 WSOU out of Seton Hall NJ is a bit like Liquid Metal on Sirius but they play more underground stuff, some local stuff, with a bit of classic metal thrown in. It's soo funny how when they say they're taking requests and if nobody calls in they threaten to play St. Anger. :lol: :LOL: Anyway, where is the genre going? It's seems to have hit a ceiling or maybe a lot of bands have copied each other too much, or there's just nothing new to play. Well it sounds like it to me sometimes. I'll use the below example.

I mean, how much more extreme can we get? Everything sounds too exact, too clynical. Not to mention the growling which sounds like a million other guys doing this. I'm not just some old metal head who can't get into new stuff, it's just that I've heard this for years now and nothing is changing.

 
danyeo":33mqc26m said:
For a while I was getting into newer metal bands. A local station plays a lot of obscure metal but now soooo much of it sounds the same. The local station, 89.5 WSOU out of Seton Hall NJ is a bit like Liquid Metal on Sirius but they play more underground stuff, some local stuff, with a bit of classic metal thrown in. It's soo funny how when they say they're taking requests and if nobody calls in they threaten to play St. Anger. :lol: :LOL: Anyway, where is the genre going? It's seems to have hit a ceiling or maybe a lot of bands have copied each other too much, or there's just nothing new to play. Well it sounds like it to me sometimes. I'll use the below example.

I mean, how much more extreme can we get? Everything sounds too exact, too clynical. Not to mention the growling which sounds like a million other guys doing this. I'm not just some old metal head who can't get into new stuff, it's just that I've heard this for years now and nothing is changing.

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That station was great back in the day. I first heard Alice In Chains before they went big on there. Some other bands also that were unknown and then made it.
 
I feel the same way about classical music. Nothing new that excites me.

I can honestly say I am just glad there is ANY new metal being put out. Yeah, I gotta wade thru a lot of it to find some riffs I like. Yeah, too much growling I can't understand. Yeah, not many good mixes I can really dig on. But Jose at liquid metal has turned me on to lots of stuff over the past decade. At least there is new metal consistently being put out there.

As for "where can it go from here?"....who knows. Thrashy stuff kinda made a comeback, probably in response to death metal going so far with the speed/noise/brutals thing. Steel Panther brings the glam party back, just look at the number of old dudes enjoying playing glam gigs on weekends. The super techno player metal bands are fun to listen to, but I don't really dig the song writing.

All that said, I really dig Threat Signal.
 
I think the genre has hit a technology barrier. In the past rock/metal was periodically refreshed by someone coming up with some new sound. The Dual Rectifier is 23 years old. We've been listening to modern high gain amps for over two decades and hotrodded Marshalls for over three decades. The Tubescreamer is closing in on four decades. 7 strings have already been played out and adding more hasn't really pushed the boundaries.

For awhile throwback genres like doom and stoner were producing some unique sounds by combining modern playing/recording with with old equipment, but even that's become more derivative now as everyone rushes to copy each other. Djent was inherently limited.
 
some dude":3e83tx0d said:
I think the genre has hit a technology barrier. In the past rock/metal was periodically refreshed by someone coming up with some new sound. The Dual Rectifier is 23 years old. We've been listening to modern high gain amps for over two decades and hotrodded Marshalls for over three decades. The Tubescreamer is closing in on four decades.

For awhile throwback genres like doom and stoner were producing some unique sounds by combining modern playing/recording with with old equipment, but even that's become more derivative now as everyone rushes to copy each other.
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Yes, I meant that as well. All the recordings are so perfect now. I was in my car the other day listening to some Journey. Yes Journey...don't laugh. But it was Journey from the late 70's before they went all arena rock, think Infinity album. But the old school production was actually a bit refreshing.
 
danyeo":2z783u61 said:
Yes, I meant that as well. All the recordings are so perfect now. I was in my car the other day listening to some Journey. Yes Journey...don't laugh. But it was Journey from the late 70's before they went all arena rock, think Infinity album. But the old school production was actually a bit refreshing.
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I spend most of my time on YouTube trying to find band's live shows because I can't stand their studio albums.
 
Metal isn't going anywhere right now because the no one has any idea how to be the slightest bit different then what they hear. Not to mention that the last "Metal Wave" we had that people had been drawn or attracted too decided to try ro make the jump to radio play and quickly faded out. I'm specifically talking about Dragonforce (novelty,band), Trivium, Bullet for my Valentine, Atreyu, and All that Remains. Those bands at the height of thier popularity with some older bands like Lamb of God and Killswitch and Machine Head taking them on tour could have moved the genre into another level for new listeners. But noooo they went and tried to become radio bands and people call Hatebreed a girls metal band uugh. Not to mention the Black keys jam band bluesy crap movement so now we have hipsters everywhere and studio crap all over the radio thats a regurgitation of early 2000s jam bands thats a regurgitation of all the 60s and 70s rock we already hear all the time. Now instead of metal stacks guitar center is full of crappy combo amps for a hipster friendly store blah.
 
danyeo":1wr5be5a said:
For a while I was getting into newer metal bands. A local station plays a lot of obscure metal but now soooo much of it sounds the same. The local station, 89.5 WSOU out of Seton Hall NJ is a bit like Liquid Metal on Sirius but they play more underground stuff, some local stuff, with a bit of classic metal thrown in. It's soo funny how when they say they're taking requests and if nobody calls in they threaten to play St. Anger. :lol: :LOL: Anyway, where is the genre going? It's seems to have hit a ceiling or maybe a lot of bands have copied each other too much, or there's just nothing new to play. Well it sounds like it to me sometimes. I'll use the below example.

I mean, how much more extreme can we get? Everything sounds too exact, too clynical. Not to mention the growling which sounds like a million other guys doing this. I'm not just some old metal head who can't get into new stuff, it's just that I've heard this for years now and nothing is changing.

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It's been on a downward spiral for the last 5 or 6 years. Down the crapper is where I think it is going.
 
Metal and Rock music are dying. It's all based around the blues basically, which I see lasting a lot longer because I think it is a more timeless style of music......but nothing lasts forever. Yeah, there will be a niche group of people still into it here and there, but I predict within 25 years for instance..distorted guitar will be looked at as a thing of the past. I am not saying the guitar will disappear, because it has cemented it's place around the world. It is easy to think that is crazy and I know you think I am probably trolling, but I am not. Heavy, distorted guitar hasn't even been around that long in the scheme of things. Think of it this way...the Harpsichord was at one time one of the most popular instruments in the world. How many people do you see playing them these days? What will be popular...nobody knows for sure. Electronic music hasn't even scratched the surface of what is possible within it. There are many kinds of world music that haven't been explored, and will soon be due to the internet. What if there were a world crisis and electricity became scarce? How would that change things?
 
I like these guys, even though they wear their Pantera on their sleeves..


I haven't bought a "metal" album in a very long time. There's just not a lot that excites me these days. I spend most of my time listening to 70s and early 80s hard rock. I'm sure that someone will come along and kick us in the ass again, but it's pretty dry right now.
 
SFW":2c8bugny said:
I like these guys, even though they wear their Pantera on their sleeves..


I haven't bought a "metal" album in a very long time. There's just not a lot that excites me these days. I spend most of my time listening to 70s and early 80s hard rock. I'm sure that someone will come along and kick us in the ass again, but it's pretty dry right now.
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This to me sounds a lot like Sevendust.
 
Does Tremonti count as metal? I really enjoy what he's doing.
 
What a depressing, but interesting, thread. Some valid points being made here. I haven't listened to any new metal in a long time. The last thing I found interesting in heavy metal were bands like Killswitch, Mastodon, SYL, and Opeth. Lately I've been thinking about getting back into listening to some more heavy stuff, but it seems from the sounds of things that there's not much out there.
 
Granted, I don't listen to much metal these days, but what I have heard here and there leads me to believe that the real thing metal is missing (in general) is melody and hook. Most of the really interesting metal bands tend to eschew conventional songwriting. Maybe a move back into that territory would revitalize the genre. I don't know if metal guys are into that though. It seems that most young metal bands are all about being the most technical or brutal or progressive to the point that they don't write a memorable song.
 
I've been listening a lot of metal out of the norm recently, these guys have been dominating my playlist.

 
Mr. Willy":26ldwli2 said:
What a depressing, but interesting, thread. Some valid points being made here. I haven't listened to any new metal in a long time. The last thing I found interesting in heavy metal were bands like Killswitch, Mastodon, SYL, and Opeth. Lately I've been thinking about getting back into listening to some more heavy stuff, but it seems from the sounds of things that there's not much out there.
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I like Opeth, i never did like their Grizzly Bear vocals but since their tunes were amazing I dealt with it. But the 2 last albums...I'm 50/50 on.


There IS good stuff coming out of Europe. But what I consider good stuff it seems not many others do and it doesn't get ANY exposure here at all. Of course a lot of the stuff from Europe most people would call it..stuck in the 80's. But I don't care. Take a band like Nightwish, they get ZERO push here but they just played in NYC and from the pics of the show they had thousands of people there. But they have been around and it's most of the newer stuff that I hear which all sounds recycled.

I mean, does anyone remember when a tune like Battery or Fight Fire With Fire were considered fast paced? Where can you go from here?
 
I think if we could get out of dropped z tuning and return to some form of melody it would get better.
 
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