Where should I put my noise gate when using a preamp pedal?

[MetalThrasher]

My chain is very simple. Guitar-----OD Pedal-------Preamp Pedal (Ceres)-------power amp. Where should I put my noise gate? Do I put it after the OD pedal then into the Ceres or do I put it after the Ceres then into the power amp?

 

[stephen sawall]

My experience is every rig is different. Just try both and see how the sound and feel goes for you.
I usually put it after the overdrive. It just feels more natural to me. I use my guitar volume and tone controls a lot.
If there is still too much noise after the preamp I try next.

 

[Donnie B.]

My experience is every rig is different.

Exactly.
I've been downloading rig presets for the Quad Cortex made by guys like Plini, Rabea, and Tom Quayle, just
to see how they set up their pedal chains. I've seen the gate first, 2nd after a compressor, and both before or
after OD/Boost/Distortion stuff.

Experiment and let your ears decide.

I wouldn't put one between a preamp and poweramp though.

 

[RockyStar]

My chain is very simple. Guitar-----OD Pedal-------Preamp Pedal (Ceres)-------power amp. Where should I put my noise gate? Do I put it after the OD pedal then into the Ceres or do I put it after the Ceres then into the power amp?

In this scenario I would first try it after the Ceres.

 

[Donnie B.]

In this scenario I would first try it after the Ceres.

Wouldn't you still need one in front of the preamp?

 

[Filter500]

Wouldn't you still need one in front of the preamp?

The gate will cut noise from everything in front of it, so placing it after the preamp pedal should take care of noise from the OD and the preamp.

 

[Donnie B.]

The gate will cut noise from everything in front of it, so placing it after the preamp pedal should take care of noise from the OD and the preamp.

What I've heard is that the pre-amp hiss by itself is a lot lower than the noise you get from pickups.
The pickups will require a lot more gate than the pre-amp. I've seen a 2nd gate used in a loop though.

Crank the amp up without a guitar plugged in and set the loop gate just so it removes the amp hiss.
Use another one up front to kill pickup and hand squeak noise.
Gating that heavily after the pre-amp could cut off some good stuff because it would be set too high.

Just remembered where I got all that from:

 

[Filter500]

What I've heard is that the pre-amp hiss by itself is a lot lower than the noise you get from pickups.
The pickups will require a lot more gate than the pre-amp. I've seen a 2nd gate used in a loop though.

Crank the amp up without a guitar plugged in and set the loop gate just so it removes the amp hiss.
Use another one up front to kill pickup and hand squeak noise.
Gating that heavily after the pre-amp could cut off some good stuff because it would be set too high.

Just remembered where I got all that from:

It really depends how much gain is set on the preamp pedal. I'm not using a gate in the loop of my head, but I have dual gated with two ISP decimators (one in the loop) in the past when playing louder. That said, I would place the gate at the end of my gain pedals, so I'm including the preamp pedal as one of those in this scenerio. Preamp hiss can get pretty loud at louder levels depending on the amp. My Single Rectifier has no issue with hiss at TV volumes, but loud is an issue.

 

[stephen sawall]

Did you try both places and what was the result ?

 

[Smash]

in the trash. Get fucking nasty

 

[ClintN667]

For the Ceres I use the 4 cm with it before the Ceres and after. Basically noise gate, boost, Ceres boos, delay, power amp

 

[MetalThrasher]

Did you try both places and what was the result ?

I tried both and I felt that putting the noise gate after the OD then into the preamp pedal worked best. Putting it after the preamp pedal didn't sound that good as the Ceres really isn't that noisy until after I introduced an OD pedal.