Which Eminence Speakers In Stock Randall 4x12?

[Charvel1975]

Hey guys I have a Randall R412CXM 4x12 Straight front, angled baffle, metal grill loaded standard with Celestion Custom Seventy 80 speakers, 8 ohm. Wired 4 Ohm stereo/8 Ohm mono rated at 320 Watts and I was thinking of maybe selling the Celestion Custom Seventy 80 speakers and trying a set of Eminence Governor's 8 ohm and a set of Eminence Swamp Things 8 ohm mounted in an X pattern.

My band plays modern metal tuned to drop B so from the descriptions I've read on these speakers they seem like a good combination for the style of music my band plays but I also play other styles as well myself so I'm wondering if there are any other Randall 4x12 cab owners out there that have tried different combinations of the Eminence Patriot and Red Coat series? I was also wondering if I just took out 2 of the seventy 80 speakers and put in 2 Celestion G12K-100's how that would sound too.

 

[D-Rock]

I have a Randall 2x12 but it came stock with V30's.
Based on your style mentioned I think the GK100's would be a good idea.
Mix those with either V30's or Governors and that cab will rock.

 

[Charvel1975]

I have a Randall 2x12 but it came stock with V30's.
Based on your style mentioned I think the GK100's would be a good idea.
Mix those with either V30's or Governors and that cab will rock.

Yea I also have a stock Marshall 1960A cab that I'm gonna be using with the Randall cab as well

 

[D-Rock]

Isn't the Marshall cab 16 ohms? How are you going to run it together with the 8 ohm Randall?

 

[Charvel1975]

Isn't the Marshall cab 16 ohms? How are you going to run it together with the 8 ohm Randall?

Well once I get my Mesa tremoverb head re-tubed and up and running again, I would in the past use switch both the randall and marshall cabs to Mono on the Mono/Stereo switch and then on the back of the tremoverb run 1 speaker cable from one of the 8 ohm speaker outputs to the Randall cab and then 1 speaker cable from the other 8 ohm speaker output to the Marshall cab. Why? Am I hooking these up wrong?

 

[D-Rock]

With the Marshall at 8 ohms, only two of the speakers will be working with the switch in stereo mode.

 

[Charvel1975]

With the Marshall at 8 ohms, only two of the speakers will be working with the switch in stereo mode.

No, both of the cabs have a mono/stereo switch and I set them to Mono on each cab

 

[D-Rock]

With the Marshall at 8 ohms, only two of the speakers will be working with the switch in stereo mode.

No, both of the cabs have a mono/stereo switch and I set them to Mono on each cab

Ok, except a 1960 cab in mono is either 4 or 16 ohms. So running it together with an 8 ohm cab would be an impedance mismatch. You may want get four 16 ohm speakers for the Randall cab so you can run both cabs together safely.

 

[Charvel1975]

With the Marshall at 8 ohms, only two of the speakers will be working with the switch in stereo mode.

No, both of the cabs have a mono/stereo switch and I set them to Mono on each cab

Ok, except a 1960 cab in mono is either 4 or 16 ohms. So running it together with an 8 ohm cab would be an impedance mismatch. You may want get four 16 ohm speakers for the Randall cab so you can run both cabs together safely.

Ok, well my Mesa tremoverb has multiple different ohm speaker outs: 1-16ohm, 2-8ohm and 2-4ohm

 

[Charvel1975]

With the Marshall at 8 ohms, only two of the speakers will be working with the switch in stereo mode.

No, both of the cabs have a mono/stereo switch and I set them to Mono on each cab

Ok, except a 1960 cab in mono is either 4 or 16 ohms. So running it together with an 8 ohm cab would be an impedance mismatch. You may want get four 16 ohm speakers for the Randall cab so you can run both cabs together safely.

So should I run the one speaker cable going to the Marshall cab into the 16 ohm speaker output jack and the other speaker cable going to the Randall cab into the 8 ohm speaker jack?

 

[D-Rock]

With the Marshall at 8 ohms, only two of the speakers will be working with the switch in stereo mode.

No, both of the cabs have a mono/stereo switch and I set them to Mono on each cab

Ok, except a 1960 cab in mono is either 4 or 16 ohms. So running it together with an 8 ohm cab would be an impedance mismatch. You may want get four 16 ohm speakers for the Randall cab so you can run both cabs together safely.

So should I run the one speaker cable going to the Marshall cab into the 16 ohm speaker output jack and the other speaker cable going to the Randall cab into the 8 ohm speaker jack?

I wouldn't advise doing that as it would create an impedance mismatch.
Mesa amps can withstand mismatches better than most amps, but it isn't just an amp safety concern, but also an amp performance concern. Mismatches can cause an amp to not to perform at it's optimum level.
When using two separate speaker cabinets, they should both be the same impedance.

 

[9ball]

i have a 1960AV and an empty mode four straight cab.
i'm probably going to get at least 2 swamp thangs to mix in the mode four cab with 2 of my V30s.
i was researching it awhile back and that's what i decided, so that's what i'ma gonna doo lol.
i'll try the swamp thangs, then something else mixed with the other 2 V30s in my vintage cab, then i have an old G12T75 in a 1x12 crate i'll be putting in a 2x12 with something else.
they'll most likely ALL be eminences that i buy. im not buying chinese made speakers.

 

[roadifier]

you can run 8 ohms with 16 ohms. Its a safe mismatch. ------> http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/3chRecto.pdf go to page 32 for the cab diagrams.

 

[Charvel1975]

you can run 8 ohms with 16 ohms. Its a safe mismatch. ------> http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/3chRecto.pdf go to page 32 for the cab diagrams.

Yea, there is a section on Mis-Matching: When running a higher resistance (for example: 8 ohm output into 16 ohm cabinet), a slightly different feel and response will be eminent. A slight mismatch can provide a darker smoother tone with a little less output and attack. This response is a result of the amplifier running a bit cooler. Sometimes when using more than one cabinet a mismatch will be the only option.