Which ENGL for me? Blackmore? METAL?

[Disappear_85]

Buy a dual or triple rec

Mesa is way more expensive than an Engl where im at, unfortunately that's not an option.

 

[Thor1777]

artist edition for me as well, have owned one for some time.......quite versatile as well, My favorite engl and I have owned most, not as brutal as a Fireball100 but can do metal very well, to me more of a marshall sound than any other Engl

 

[Mailman1971]

Sounds like this would fit you.
The Invader 150.
This was the video I watched that made me buy one.
Really is a great amp for this style.

 

[tnourse]

I've owned a Blackmore for quite a few years now and it never disappoints. Great clean tones, crunch tones and high gain tones. I love it!

I was able to do a many day, side by side comparison with a friends Savage 120. Very similar high gain tones. I thought the Savage had a bit better clean tones. Both are killer.

 

[Fuego]

For home use only, I would definitely go for the ironball. Tone wise, it's in between the Fireball and the Blackmore. Use a 15% at MF and get it for @$1000. I did , also have an Invader 2 LE. Both awesome.

 

[Disappear_85]

Sounds like this would fit you.
The Invader 150.
This was the video I watched that made me buy one.
Really is a great amp for this style.

Great tone indeed, But invader too complicated, Im leaning towards the Blackmore for simplicity.

Can it deliver this kind of brutal tone?

 

[Disappear_85]

I've owned a Blackmore for quite a few years now and it never disappoints. Great clean tones, crunch tones and high gain tones. I love it!

I was able to do a many day, side by side comparison with a friends Savage 120. Very similar high gain tones. I thought the Savage had a bit better clean tones. Both are killer.

Does it need a boost? or is it tight enough on its own?

https://youtu.be/tPTsFp8KNVg

Here its amazing

And some people say when you crank it up it losses bottom end and and sounds thin. is this true?

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

The Blackmore has been on my radar for some time now. Great tones coming out of it no doubt about it. Really nice job they did with it.

 

[Disappear_85]

Come on people who owns a blackmore, post your clips please

 

[rsm]

I have the E530 pre and E850/100 power amp.

Since you have the E530 why not get an Engl power amp?

My rack is heavy but compact (4U), but I get 100W per side. Running this into a pair of PRO E212VH cabs.

FWIW, this is my only tube rig I won't sell (I've been using digital modelers for the last several years)

 

[the4thlast1]

I haven't read through everything but I think this is a simple answer. If you want the most "Metal" especially modern metal then from your choices the Fireball 100 is def the way to go...I've owned all the amps that you mentioned and several other ENGLs

The Artist Edition. Is cool, I liked the one I had but it's not a very modern Metal type of amp. It cant do that well but it has more of a versatile thing going on , has a cool openness to it that other ENGLs don't have. Nice amp, some great tones to be had. HoweverThe Fireball 100 beats it for tight fast riffing , and crushing palm mutes. Just keep in mind the Fireball 60 was a far cry from the Fireball 100 that was released years later, they are very different , the 100w is a much better amp than thr e original 60w version IMO.

 

[Mklane]

Get whichever is cheaper for you. I have had both the Fireball and the Blackmore as well as a Savage and both can do what you asking. The Blackmore is a brighter sounding amp than the FB100. The Blackmore outlasted the FB and the Savage in my collection although I did love the FB100. I thought the Blackmore sounded as good as the Savage and was waaay louder.

 

[Disappear_85]

Last bump guys,

Yay or nay on the Blackmore for Iced earth kind of tones and brutal Rhythms? And will i need a boost for that?

Savage looks tempting, but expensive plus to many options i don't think i would need if some one can confirm they sound alike

I got the engl 2x12 on the way and i still didn't decide on a head yet, i've seen some people on YouTube with blackmore nearly maxed gain and still it sounded weak, so discouraging.

There was a compression between Blackmore and savage, to me the savage sounded it had more bottom end and more bite to it.

Thank you guys

And nobody commented on this :
Do tube amps need servicing beside changing tubes? assuming you don't get a factory defective amp to begin with, what kind of other service is needed, I've read some gigged with their amps and everything is good, while other saying their amps need to be serviced, What kind of service are we looking for? and can it be done by me? As there is NO tech in my country.

Blackmore looks simple on the inside while the savage complicated, i suppose if something went south with the savage it would be hard to identify for myself

 

[romanianreaper]

And nobody commented on this :
Do tube amps need servicing beside changing tubes? assuming you don't get a factory defective amp to begin with, what kind of other service is needed, I've read some gigged with their amps and everything is good, while other saying their amps need to be serviced, What kind of service are we looking for? and can it be done by me? As there is NO tech in my country.

Tube amps don't need servicing really, unless you have a really old one. However, depending on what amp you have, a tube change requires you to bias them. You don't have to do this in the middle of a gig, etc. but to get it sounding right eventually you'll need to do this.

With this in mind, there are a lot of different scenarios. Mesa amps normally don't need biasing if you use Mesa tubes and just swap the same type in. Some companies have tube bias points on the outside of the amp and a safer way of biasing tubes. And finally, and most important, some amps have the bias pot adjustment and points inside the amp chassis in the vicinity of capacitors that can literally kill you with lethal voltage. Definitely not something to be taken lightly.

Tube amps sound phenomenal but you just need to know what you are doing if you open up a tube amp. It is like anything else in life. Don't mess with the electricity in your house if you don't know what you are doing. Swapping tubes is easy and depending on the amp, even biasing can be easy. Not sure about ENGL but just wanted to mention before you poke around in your future amp.

 

[Disappear_85]

And nobody commented on this :
Do tube amps need servicing beside changing tubes? assuming you don't get a factory defective amp to begin with, what kind of other service is needed, I've read some gigged with their amps and everything is good, while other saying their amps need to be serviced, What kind of service are we looking for? and can it be done by me? As there is NO tech in my country.

Tube amps don't need servicing really, unless you have a really old one. However, depending on what amp you have, a tube change requires you to bias them. You don't have to do this in the middle of a gig, etc. but to get it sounding right eventually you'll need to do this.

With this in mind, there are a lot of different scenarios. Mesa amps normally don't need biasing if you use Mesa tubes and just swap the same type in. Some companies have tube bias points on the outside of the amp and a safer way of biasing tubes. And finally, and most important, some amps have the bias pot adjustment and points inside the amp chassis in the vicinity of capacitors that can literally kill you with lethal voltage. Definitely not something to be taken lightly.

Tube amps sound phenomenal but you just need to know what you are doing if you open up a tube amp. It is like anything else in life. Don't mess with the electricity in your house if you don't know what you are doing. Swapping tubes is easy and depending on the amp, even biasing can be easy. Not sure about ENGL but just wanted to mention before you poke around in your future amp.

Biasing is kind of easy, i have the bias probe and i wont be sticking my hand inside or anything metal, as engl has the bias pot on the pcb.

I was talking about if there is any other services required? capacitor, resistors and such things, and if needed can it be done by me after taking all the safety measures?

 

[tnourse]

I've owned a Blackmore for quite a few years now and it never disappoints. Great clean tones, crunch tones and high gain tones. I love it!

I was able to do a many day, side by side comparison with a friends Savage 120. Very similar high gain tones. I thought the Savage had a bit better clean tones. Both are killer.

Does it need a boost? or is it tight enough on its own?

https://youtu.be/tPTsFp8KNVg

Here its amazing

And some people say when you crank it up it losses bottom end and and sounds thin. is this true?

It doesn't need a boost at all. But if you do use one, still sounds killer. Sometimes I use a OD9 with mine, just as a boost, no extra gain added.

 

[rottingcorpse]

Amps break. If you don't have a tech,you have to expect it will break. Murphy's law.

And it will break.

Get an extreme aggression. Simple and brutal.