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GRK
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Japan > USA on everything about cars IMO.
(We're talking "today" right?)
(We're talking "today" right?)
dawnofdreamx97
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Digital Jams":2p7zq185 said:Both my 2004 american cars have had zero breakdowns.
Preventative maintenance goes a long way
Wife and I will always own an american muscle car, been thinking the next car will be a vette.
the c6 and z06 are gorgeous cars, my uncle builds custom vettes ... INSANE !
tnourse
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Well I've had many of both and I'll have to say that I've never really had much issues with either! I think it's all in the up-keep and maintenance.
What do I currently own?? A 2002 Toyota Highlander. A 1997 Lexus ES300. A 1967 Ford Fairlane 500XL.
I have had zero problems with our Toyota and Lexus vehicles, which are our everyday drivers. When the time come to purchase a new vehicle, I will look at Toyota first.
What do I currently own?? A 2002 Toyota Highlander. A 1997 Lexus ES300. A 1967 Ford Fairlane 500XL.
I have had zero problems with our Toyota and Lexus vehicles, which are our everyday drivers. When the time come to purchase a new vehicle, I will look at Toyota first.
tnourse
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Digital Jams":pvalrscd said:Both my 2004 american cars have had zero breakdowns.
Preventative maintenance goes a long way
Wife and I will always own an american muscle car, been thinking the next car will be a vette.
Maintenance is the key with any vehicle.
stefvorcide
New member
Neither one, I would chose german, they are built like tanks and can last 25 years+.
If I was american, I'd get a Made in USA car, for obliveous economic & patriotic reasons.
If I was american, I'd get a Made in USA car, for obliveous economic & patriotic reasons.
Jeff Hilligan
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I had a 2002 Honda accord...257K before the clutch even went out if I had not rolled it it would still be going.
I have a 2000 GMC cargo van...150K finally just had the idler arms go bad and the pinion seal...nothing else
I have a 2006 Ford Explorer...all kinds of defective shit happen to it since purchase.
My 2007 BMW 330XI...well different world of car.
I would say on my personal experience not what others tell me is foreign cars have better build and use higher quality parts. The replacement idler arms for my cargo van were 3 times the quality of the stock GMC ones.
I have a 2000 GMC cargo van...150K finally just had the idler arms go bad and the pinion seal...nothing else
I have a 2006 Ford Explorer...all kinds of defective shit happen to it since purchase.
My 2007 BMW 330XI...well different world of car.
I would say on my personal experience not what others tell me is foreign cars have better build and use higher quality parts. The replacement idler arms for my cargo van were 3 times the quality of the stock GMC ones.
duesentrieb
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I'm driving Peugeot and Citroen since >25 years, Knut - private cars.ke2":3jpzp0tk said:
My company cars are always german, I prefer them frenchies, style, looks, features, elegance . . .
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Copperhead
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20+ years ago, we had to go to GM in Michigan to pick up our new company car, it was a loaded Suburban.
They knew when we would be there, everything was prepaid, etc.... we just had to take delivery, the vehicle was supposed to be prepped and ready to go, this is the lot where GM execs pick up their new vehicles, so nothing out of the ordinary for that location or the circumstances of my company picking up the vehicle.
Got there at 4:00 pm local. Lot closes at 4:30. They call it a "lot" but it is more than that, big buildings with bays for prep, washing, etc. Anyways, the (non-union) manager of the location has to fetch the Suburban for us, because the union lot boys who retrieve and prep the vehicles are given 30 minutes on the clock to clean up and whatever before they go home. Also, she has to walk to the car. Sitting there are several golf carts, but they are a union deal. Management is not allowed to use the golf carts. Walking to a car involves too much harsh and abusive physicality for the lot boys... so part of their union deal is having two guys go out to a car in a golf cart, one to retrieve the car, the other to drive the cart back.
So we take delivery. It had about a cup and a half of gas in it, so we immediately hit a gas station less than two blocks away. On general principle, it was decided to check the fluids before heading back on the long trek to AZ. Almost 3 quarts low on oil... just a drop on the bottom of the dipstick. Brand new fully loaded top of the line 4wd Chevrolet Suburban brought to you fully prepped by your union workers...... at $15.50 an hour for lot boys, this is in 1988-ish....
I believe American engineers, R&D, designers etc. have the talent to produce a vehicle on par with the best. The problem is that the proportion of where dollars are spent in producing a vehicle. Yes, the Big Three do have their management problems. However, you can't pay unskilled labor the extortion and ransom that they have been getting for years, and still be able to design top quality. There is not enough left over to engineer quality for the future, and by the way, California has to have 36 mpg average and 25% electric cars in five years or you're not allowed to sell cars there.... How are they supposed to pull that out of their hat? I'm sure it could be done, but how are they supposed to fund research of that magnitude?
I tried to "do the right thing" and buy American, but it didn't work too well for me, and I tried one of each. (see above post)
The Arizona Republic published a reliability list in the paper yesterday.
"Luxury Cars:
BEST - Lexus IS 250
WORST - Cadillac STS"
I just bought my wife an IS 250. 24 city, 32 highway. I researched this thoroughly before I bought. There is no American car that can compare with this Lexus, at any price.
My criteria was:
Rear wheel drive.
Four door.
Best gas mileage.
Unbelievable luxury features. Great performance from this little 2.5 V6. Not a drag racer, but plenty of power on the highway, mountain passes, etc. Handling and brakes to die for. Gas mileage is real world.
An employee of mine bought his wife a CTS last year. She just traded it in, about a year old. She was real angry about how many times it had to be brought back to the dealer for service, then several times it was still not right when she picked it up. Go figure.
They knew when we would be there, everything was prepaid, etc.... we just had to take delivery, the vehicle was supposed to be prepped and ready to go, this is the lot where GM execs pick up their new vehicles, so nothing out of the ordinary for that location or the circumstances of my company picking up the vehicle.
Got there at 4:00 pm local. Lot closes at 4:30. They call it a "lot" but it is more than that, big buildings with bays for prep, washing, etc. Anyways, the (non-union) manager of the location has to fetch the Suburban for us, because the union lot boys who retrieve and prep the vehicles are given 30 minutes on the clock to clean up and whatever before they go home. Also, she has to walk to the car. Sitting there are several golf carts, but they are a union deal. Management is not allowed to use the golf carts. Walking to a car involves too much harsh and abusive physicality for the lot boys... so part of their union deal is having two guys go out to a car in a golf cart, one to retrieve the car, the other to drive the cart back.
So we take delivery. It had about a cup and a half of gas in it, so we immediately hit a gas station less than two blocks away. On general principle, it was decided to check the fluids before heading back on the long trek to AZ. Almost 3 quarts low on oil... just a drop on the bottom of the dipstick. Brand new fully loaded top of the line 4wd Chevrolet Suburban brought to you fully prepped by your union workers...... at $15.50 an hour for lot boys, this is in 1988-ish....
I believe American engineers, R&D, designers etc. have the talent to produce a vehicle on par with the best. The problem is that the proportion of where dollars are spent in producing a vehicle. Yes, the Big Three do have their management problems. However, you can't pay unskilled labor the extortion and ransom that they have been getting for years, and still be able to design top quality. There is not enough left over to engineer quality for the future, and by the way, California has to have 36 mpg average and 25% electric cars in five years or you're not allowed to sell cars there.... How are they supposed to pull that out of their hat? I'm sure it could be done, but how are they supposed to fund research of that magnitude?
I tried to "do the right thing" and buy American, but it didn't work too well for me, and I tried one of each. (see above post)
The Arizona Republic published a reliability list in the paper yesterday.
"Luxury Cars:
BEST - Lexus IS 250
WORST - Cadillac STS"
I just bought my wife an IS 250. 24 city, 32 highway. I researched this thoroughly before I bought. There is no American car that can compare with this Lexus, at any price.
My criteria was:
Rear wheel drive.
Four door.
Best gas mileage.
Unbelievable luxury features. Great performance from this little 2.5 V6. Not a drag racer, but plenty of power on the highway, mountain passes, etc. Handling and brakes to die for. Gas mileage is real world.
An employee of mine bought his wife a CTS last year. She just traded it in, about a year old. She was real angry about how many times it had to be brought back to the dealer for service, then several times it was still not right when she picked it up. Go figure.
SFW
Well-known member
It depends on what your definition of reliable is. I've owned Toyotas and Fords. The two toyotas that I owned (87 corolla & 2000 4Runner) were good as long as you changed the oil every 3000 miles. However, I experienced electrical issues with both vehicles. My two F-150s (97 & 03) have been dead on reliable. The only issue that I've had with them is the crunch at the pump. I believe that the Japaneese and the Americans have the ability to make a great product. And while I have nothing bad to say about the Toyotas and Hondas of the world, when I purchase my next vehicle it will be an American vehicle.
BURNTHISCORPSE
New member
I dont care for most american cars that "I" have tried. My mothers 05' Impala has had issues on and off since 30Kmi. everyone I know with a chrysler made mid-small car has said they are pure shit. I have owned nothing but full size GMC trucks for the last 10 yrs. never had any issues to speak of. but i just sold my GMC 2500HD ext cab 4x4 Diesel in favor of buying a Camry. just couldnt do the mileage thing anymore. I know alot of mechanics and talked extensively with them. It all came down to toyota or honda for mid-small cars. if i ever wanted another fullsize truck I would definatley go right back to GM.
C
Copperhead
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I would have to classify my experiences by saying all three American lemons I had were front wheel drive four door passenger vehicles, not trucks. Two were V6. All three ate front tires, front brakes, front struts and power steering components continuously. We do NOT parallel park regularily.
vchizzle
Active member
Interestingly, I read a small article in the paper the other day on this. It said there were a few Lincoln and Mercury that were in line with foreign cars quality wise. Maybe 1 or 2 GM. Chrysler, they didn't really say.
The dumbest part about this tiny article is it never mentions WHICH f%cking cars are supposed to up there being competive! Did they not list models because its not true?!? I don't get it. With horrid state that the big 3 are in, you'd think A) that the article would be in a more prominent part of the paper B) that the cars would be listed so people might consider buying them
I don't know, maybe it was some propaganda article or something. If they stated which vehicles, they'd need prove of it. Who knows, it was a piss poor article at best.
I don't know, this is gonna be a big issue for me in 2-3 years when I'm looking to buy a car. I have always bought American made vehicles so far, but reliability and fuel efficiency are going to be the main things I'm looking for. Then its gonna come down to which is priced better. Each car I've gotten seems to have more problems than the last. I'd rather buy American, but they better get their shit together. I think we build some solid trucks for sure, but the days of people buying them just for shits and giggles are coming to an end. Unless they need them, most people aren't going to buy them anymore.
The dumbest part about this tiny article is it never mentions WHICH f%cking cars are supposed to up there being competive! Did they not list models because its not true?!? I don't get it. With horrid state that the big 3 are in, you'd think A) that the article would be in a more prominent part of the paper B) that the cars would be listed so people might consider buying them
I don't know, maybe it was some propaganda article or something. If they stated which vehicles, they'd need prove of it. Who knows, it was a piss poor article at best.
I don't know, this is gonna be a big issue for me in 2-3 years when I'm looking to buy a car. I have always bought American made vehicles so far, but reliability and fuel efficiency are going to be the main things I'm looking for. Then its gonna come down to which is priced better. Each car I've gotten seems to have more problems than the last. I'd rather buy American, but they better get their shit together. I think we build some solid trucks for sure, but the days of people buying them just for shits and giggles are coming to an end. Unless they need them, most people aren't going to buy them anymore.
dawnofdreamx97
Well-known member
ke2
Active member
duesentrieb":2gf0duv5 said:I'm driving Peugeot and Citroen since >25 years, Knut - private cars.ke2":2gf0duv5 said:
My company cars are always german, I prefer them frenchies, style, looks, features, elegance . . .
Hehe, we have a Renault Megane Scenic. The electronics and lock systems are horrible, but the engine is running and running, so could have been a little more specific. (We just had it at the shop to have the rear vindow lock fixed. 250€ for the second time in two months
That`s why I was a little biased. They are comfortable, look nice and the engines are fine