Who Still Has a Diezel Einstein?

[LPMojoGL]

A 100 watter popped up on my radar, and now I am interested.
The clips sound decent, but there's only so much to be known by listening to the clips.

I'm wondering if the cleans are more than decent, say on par with the Bogner Shiva? Or Germino Club 40, which has the most awesome cleans?

Does the Texas mode get a convincing blues sound?
Is there any setting in the amp that does a Marshall 2204 sound?
How well does it respond to dialing back the guitar volume?
Good master volume? Effects loop?

What do you love or not love about it?
It would be awesome if this amp was capable of a good clean, crunch and lead sound, in the Marshall and modded Marshall vein.


Thanks!!!

 

[FourT6and2]

A 100 watter popped up on my radar, and now I am interested.
The clips sound decent, but there's only so much to be known by listening to the clips.

I'm wondering if the cleans are more than decent, say on par with the Bogner Shiva? Or Germino Club 40, which has the most awesome cleans?

Does the Texas mode get a convincing blues sound?
Is there any setting in the amp that does a Marshall 2204 sound?
How well does it respond to dialing back the guitar volume?
Good master volume? Effects loop?

What do you love or not love about it?
It would be awesome if this amp was capable of a good clean, crunch and lead sound, in the Marshall and modded Marshall vein.


Thanks!!!

It's not a modded Marshall sound. It's 100% Diezel. Very unique tone and feel. If you want a Marshall, get a Marshall.

That said, the cleans are better than a Shiva to me. One of my favorite clean channels has, in the past, been the Shiva's. But having owned a Einstein 1x12 combo with reverb for a few months now, I'd say I prefer the Diezel. The various modes are similar to VH4 channel 1/2/3. But certainly nothing close to a Marshall. They are just voiced much differently. Responds ok to dialing guitar volume down. But not as well as a typical Marshall circuit. Master volume is fantastic. Loop is great. Mine is a little noisy. Maybe a ground problem. Not sure. But nothing too bad.

 

[LPMojoGL]

A 100 watter popped up on my radar, and now I am interested.
The clips sound decent, but there's only so much to be known by listening to the clips.

I'm wondering if the cleans are more than decent, say on par with the Bogner Shiva? Or Germino Club 40, which has the most awesome cleans?

Does the Texas mode get a convincing blues sound?
Is there any setting in the amp that does a Marshall 2204 sound?
How well does it respond to dialing back the guitar volume?
Good master volume? Effects loop?

What do you love or not love about it?
It would be awesome if this amp was capable of a good clean, crunch and lead sound, in the Marshall and modded Marshall vein.


Thanks!!!

It's not a modded Marshall sound. It's 100% Diezel. Very unique tone and feel. If you want a Marshall, get a Marshall.

That said, the cleans are better than a Shiva to me. One of my favorite clean channels has, in the past, been the Shiva's. But having owned a Einstein 1x12 combo with reverb for a few months now, I'd say I prefer the Diezel. The various modes are similar to VH4 channel 1/2/3. But certainly nothing close to a Marshall. They are just voiced much differently. Responds ok to dialing guitar volume down. But not as well as a typical Marshall circuit. Master volume is fantastic. Loop is great. Mine is a little noisy. Maybe a ground problem. Not sure. But nothing too bad.

Thanks for chiming in! I've read many of your past posts, and feel like I'm sort of on a path you've been on before. I have a newer Dual Rec, and am wanting an amp that is tighter, with more mids, to compliment the Dual Rec. Not unlike the Tool thing. I've had Germinos for the Marshall Plexi thing, and recently tried out a 2204 that had me thinking that I want to pick one up. But, I've never tried a Diezel. Think I'll go check it out. If it has better clean than the Shiva, and a tighter drive sound, I might just have to take it home.

 

[Anonymous]

I own both a Shiva and Einstein 100

To me, the Einstein can't touch the Shiva in terms of cleans, but it's still very good
The Texas mode gets closer to a Marshall in terms of voicing than all the other Diezel channels I've played
The master volume is one of the strong points of pretty much all Diezel amps

 

[JimmyBlind]

I owned an Einstein for a year or so after trading in my first VH4. It's a great sounding amp. I wasn't so keen on the ultra mode (Ch2) but the 3 CH1 modes were all great. The texas mode was great with overdrive pedals. Mode 3 was similar to the VH4 Ch3, but sounded more open.

If I were looking at buying one again, i'd consider the application I was using it in. The way the amp is set up seems better suited to a studio environment. For me, every two-channel amp that has a clean should have a completely independent clean channel. In my opinion, the 3 drive modes of the Einstein should be on one channel & the clean should be on the other with independent EQ.

I did e-mail Peter about swapping the ultra & clean modes to opposite channels. He said it wouldn't be a problem & was really helpful as always. I only needed to look at shipping costs.
If i'd gone through with it, I might have kept the Einstein, but I ended up swapping her out for another VH4.

So yeah. Bare that in mind when you purchase. The stock setup of the amp is a bit of a talking point, with people doing all sorts of 3rd-party mods to independently switch the modes. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the communication traffic with Diezel was focused around Einstein switching & 3rd party modding issues/advice. So Diezel discontinued the amp & released the D-Moll instead. I think that was a wise business move for Diezel.

 

[Nico]

I still have an Einstein, and I have it for sale.

I used to love the amp, but now I am more inclined for a Marshall type circuit and sounds.

The Einstein can do a JCM 800 pretty good! The clean channel is very good, but kind of too sterile type clean.

The texas is a good channel, but I hated not being able to switch between the 3 modes. Because channel 2 is not that good for me. Its very very compressed, good for some leads

I had all the sounds I liked in the 1st channel and I had to switch them manually in the amp. That was a turn off.

Still the amp is one of the better ones I've tried, and has that trademark Diezel sound, its really tight...

Its not organic like a Bogner and it does NOT clean up with the volume.

Its more of a hard rock and metal monster!

 

[tripstan]

Cleans are great, definitely on par with a Shiva. Texas mode smokes and I use it most of the night with a boost (Koko) for more saturation. YMMV but it cleans up beautifully with the guitar volume for me. Get the channel one mode mod if you are using it in a live setting, very worth while.

I was choosing between a Einstein and a Ecstacy. I went with a Enistein because of the Diezel loops and dual MV's. If your buying used it's worth your time and money to check it out. You'll get most or all of your investment back if you end up flipping it. D-Moll would be my choice but you will spend about 1,000 bucks more on a used one.

 

[Mizati20]

Can only comment on the effects loop and master, have yet to see an amp company with a better master volume or effects loop than a Diezel... period...

 

[Les Zombie]

nice cleans, i owned one for short time but liked the herbert better and sold it.

 

[LPMojoGL]

Thanks for the input guys.
Didn't get to check it out today, but will tomorrow.
It seems like a versatile amp.
Also seems like a love or hate type amp.

I have to say, I've been diggin my Dual Rec, that I ended up picking up after watching a video from here.
Looking for that tight, middy, growly thing to complement it. Maybe I should stick to Marshall, like 46n2 suggests. Will know more after tomorrow!

 

[FourT6and2]

Thanks for the input guys.
Didn't get to check it out today, but will tomorrow.
It seems like a versatile amp.
Also seems like a love or hate type amp.

I have to say, I've been diggin my Dual Rec, that I ended up picking up after watching a video from here.
Looking for that tight, middy, growly thing to complement it. Maybe I should stick to Marshall, like 46n2 suggests. Will know more after tomorrow!

Diezels aren't what I would describe as "middy." They are quite bass-heavy and have more emphasis in the lower mid range. I tend to have my Einstein (and the VH4 I had) set with the mids maxed out.

 

[cardinal]

I mentioned this on TGP, but try it with the depth knob completely off. That at least made my VH4/4S amps more "middy" and more "Marshally" (for lack of a better term). But like FourT6and2 said, they always had this monster push in the low/low-mid range

 

[EXPcustom]

I am a total Diezel fanboy and have owned a bunch of their amps over the years. Why anyone would want a Einstein is beyond me, it's gotta be the worst sounding of all the Diezel line IMO...

Also being the worst in the Diezel line is still being better than most of the other amps out there so take my opinion on it with a grain of salt.

 

[FourT6and2]

I am a total Diezel fanboy and have owned a bunch of their amps over the years. Why anyone would want a Einstein is beyond me, it's gotta be the worst sounding of all the Diezel line IMO...

Also being the worst in the Diezel line is still being better than most of the other amps out there so take my opinion on it with a grain of salt.

VH4 is a monster. In a good way. But for my needs, the 50 watt Einstein combo is better since I live in an apartment and rarely get to play guitar now. It's better at lower volumes. And I do think it has a better clean channel and mid-gain channel. Channel 2 on the VH4 was always too stiff and lifeless for me. But the Einstein, in general, is voiced a bit more like a "normal" amp and less hi-fi. Channel 2 on the Einistein is also less compressed than Channel 4 on the VH4. And it has reverb. VH4 shines on channel 3. No other amp can touch it there. The Herbert was kind of blah to me. Forgettable.

 

[Anonymous]

I do think it has a better [...] mid-gain channel. The Einstein, in general, is voiced a bit more like a "normal" amp and less hi-fi. Channel 2 on the Einistein is also less compressed than Channel 4 on the VH4. VH4 shines on channel 3. No other amp can touch it there. The Herbert was kind of blah to me. Forgettable.

I agree with all of the above

 

[LPMojoGL]

I am a total Diezel fanboy and have owned a bunch of their amps over the years. Why anyone would want a Einstein is beyond me, it's gotta be the worst sounding of all the Diezel line IMO...

Also being the worst in the Diezel line is still being better than most of the other amps out there so take my opinion on it with a grain of salt.

Thanks for the input!
I'm only considering it because it's available near me, and is quite affordable, unlike most of the other Diezel offerings, even used.

 

[EXPcustom]

I am a total Diezel fanboy and have owned a bunch of their amps over the years. Why anyone would want a Einstein is beyond me, it's gotta be the worst sounding of all the Diezel line IMO...

Also being the worst in the Diezel line is still being better than most of the other amps out there so take my opinion on it with a grain of salt.

VH4 is a monster. In a good way. But for my needs, the 50 watt Einstein combo is better since I live in an apartment and rarely get to play guitar now. It's better at lower volumes. And I do think it has a better clean channel and mid-gain channel. Channel 2 on the VH4 was always too stiff and lifeless for me. But the Einstein, in general, is voiced a bit more like a "normal" amp and less hi-fi. Channel 2 on the Einistein is also less compressed than Channel 4 on the VH4. And it has reverb. VH4 shines on channel 3. No other amp can touch it there. The Herbert was kind of blah to me. Forgettable.

The VH4 ch3 is pretty much a industry benchmark of Modern metal/hard rock tone regardless of which version of the VH4 you own (OG 90's blueface, pre-2007, 2008-now).

With the Einstein, I get it, but there are better options for apartment dwelling high gain amps that sound good at low volume. There is a reason they discontinued it.

 

[Anonymous]

I am a total Diezel fanboy and have owned a bunch of their amps over the years. Why anyone would want a Einstein is beyond me, it's gotta be the worst sounding of all the Diezel line IMO...

Also being the worst in the Diezel line is still being better than most of the other amps out there so take my opinion on it with a grain of salt.

VH4 is a monster. In a good way. But for my needs, the 50 watt Einstein combo is better since I live in an apartment and rarely get to play guitar now. It's better at lower volumes. And I do think it has a better clean channel and mid-gain channel. Channel 2 on the VH4 was always too stiff and lifeless for me. But the Einstein, in general, is voiced a bit more like a "normal" amp and less hi-fi. Channel 2 on the Einistein is also less compressed than Channel 4 on the VH4. And it has reverb. VH4 shines on channel 3. No other amp can touch it there. The Herbert was kind of blah to me. Forgettable.

The VH4 ch3 is pretty much a industry benchmark of Modern metal/hard rock tone regardless of which version of the VH4 you own (OG 90's blueface, pre-2007, 2008-now).

With the Einstein, I get it, but there are better options for apartment dwelling high gain amps that sound good at low volume. There is a reason they discontinued it.

They discontinued it mainly for monetary reasons; a small company can't keep that big of a lineup. Also, new model = excited RTers and gear whores = more money. When sales are down on another model, it'll get discontinued and you'll see another new one pop up.

 

[FourT6and2]

There is a reason they discontinued it.

It certainly isn't because it sounds bad...

Many were unhappy because the modes on Channel 1 were not switchable (stock, at least). And many wanted the clean channel to be channel 1 and channel 2 to have all the different high-gain modes. And this would be my preference as well. That way there would be separate EQ between the clean and gain modes. That is what the D-Moll accomplishes. But the Einstein sounds great. No complaints in that department.

 

[Peter Diezel]

I am a total Diezel fanboy and have owned a bunch of their amps over the years. Why anyone would want a Einstein is beyond me, it's gotta be the worst sounding of all the Diezel line IMO...

Also being the worst in the Diezel line is still being better than most of the other amps out there so take my opinion on it with a grain of salt.

VH4 is a monster. In a good way. But for my needs, the 50 watt Einstein combo is better since I live in an apartment and rarely get to play guitar now. It's better at lower volumes. And I do think it has a better clean channel and mid-gain channel. Channel 2 on the VH4 was always too stiff and lifeless for me. But the Einstein, in general, is voiced a bit more like a "normal" amp and less hi-fi. Channel 2 on the Einistein is also less compressed than Channel 4 on the VH4. And it has reverb. VH4 shines on channel 3. No other amp can touch it there. The Herbert was kind of blah to me. Forgettable.

The VH4 ch3 is pretty much a industry benchmark of Modern metal/hard rock tone regardless of which version of the VH4 you own (OG 90's blueface, pre-2007, 2008-now).

With the Einstein, I get it, but there are better options for apartment dwelling high gain amps that sound good at low volume. There is a reason they discontinued it.

They discontinued it mainly for monetary reasons; a small company can't keep that big of a lineup. Also, new model = excited RTers and gear whores = more money. When sales are down on another model, it'll get discontinued and you'll see another new one pop up.

Jesus

Is there really no other option ?