Why the f**k didn't you guys tell me...

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The Trans Siberian Orchestra is fake? :thumbsdown: I mean what the fuck, I am really disapponited. They were not playing guitars it was all pre recorded. I feel dirty and deceived. What a waste of money....maybe not entirely. I did get to spend time with my family and that was cool. Al pitrelli is an acomplished player and is very capable of pulling just about anything off live. Why don't they let them play? Why, oh why? I need a shower. If I were drunk then maybe it might have passed as real (still doubtfull) but I was/am stone cold sober. No stage monitors, Pitrelli was hitting an imaginary pedal before and after his fake solos. We were sitting on the side of the stage so I could see perfectly.

I can't believe none of you warned me. :(
 
Then you got jobbed. I've seen TSO three times and there was nothing pre-recorded or Milli-Vanilli'd about the guitars or any other musician on stage.
 
billm408":2wsp8545 said:
Then you got jobbed. I've seen TSO three times and there was nothing pre-recorded or Milli-Vanilli'd about the guitars or any other musician on stage.
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That's my new favorite adjective: Milli-Vanilli'd :thumbsup:
 
My wife noticed and even my kids knew something was up. The singing was the only thing live.


........girl you know it's true......ooh ooh ooh I love you.

 
Are you sure?
No stage monitors
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I would think in-ear monitoring would be the way to go in a huge band
Pitrelli was hitting an imaginary pedal before and after his fake solos
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Maybe the lights played tricks with your eyes? Regardless, I saw Marty Friedman play with no pedalboard, a roadie hit the board backstage to make the changes
I never saw Trans, but it's filled with Savatage and other accomplished players...unless you have more evidence, I'm not convinced
 
crankyrayhanky":1htbb1sb said:
Are you sure?
No stage monitors
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I would think in-ear monitoring would be the way to go in a huge band
Pitrelli was hitting an imaginary pedal before and after his fake solos
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Maybe the lights played tricks with your eyes? Regardless, I saw Marty Friedman play with no pedalboard, a roadie hit the board backstage to make the changes
I never saw Trans, but it's filled with Savatage and other accomplished players...unless you have more evidence, I'm not convinced
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You make very good points. Also agree they are stellar players. I swear to everything holy the bass and both guitarists were not playing. I wish I did have some proof. I have been to so many shows in my lifetime( not that it means much). They played 2 shows back to back lasting 2.5 hrs each with not much down time inbetween. Is it possible they record the first one and not play the second? I studied the right and left hands of whatever guitarist was closest to me. It got even more noticable towards the end. You guys probably think I am nuts.
 
They played 2 shows back to back lasting 2.5 hrs each with not much down time inbetween.
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That's a lot of jamming, and they probably play a show almost every day....Phish & the Dead pulled it off, but they may have been chemically assisted. This is the best evidence so far


Is it possible they record the first one and not play the second?
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Possible, more probable they have their show recorded before that night and just slap it in- if they are MV-ing it
 
It's not hard to play for 3 hours. They looked and sounded great when I saw them recently, nothing fishy about it at all, and here they had musicians from the local orchestra performing with them, which certainly wasn't pre-recorded.

I refuse to believe any of this nonsense! *puts fingers in ears and walks away*
 
they arent fake. believe whatever you want, they play music. its savatage and the west coast TSO just hired vitali kuprij for their keyboards this season around - if it was fake such a musician wouldnt even be bothered with his time.
 
It's not fake and Im not exactly sure what you saw. I'm friends with Al Pitrelli and Joel Hoekstra. Joel has recently landed the TSO tour and I know for a fact that he busted his ass learning the songs and all the stage stage cues. Al also commented that he was doing Long rehearsals.
Im not saying that parts might be played to a backing track, as a lot of broadway type shows do this, but for the most part, I know they both play live.

Hope this helps
 
The real sad thing is, thanks to a lot of the fucknuts in the pop industry who never perform live we have to go to shows and the thought of it is always in the back of our minds that it's possible.

They way i judge if something isn't live is if it sounds too perfect. I saw TSO 2 or 3 years ago and it was ALL live, and an amazing show.
 
I do not believe that for a minute. I have seen TSo 4 times and Savatage once along with their side bands in the off season. Expert musicians and vocalists all around. If all the old people sitting around you knew the other tunes they play. They would be shocked. At least that is what Jon Oliva said at his JOP show in Chicago couple years ago.

MrHiwatt
 
The Hoff":240k4w3f said:
billm408":240k4w3f said:
Then you got jobbed. I've seen TSO three times and there was nothing pre-recorded or Milli-Vanilli'd about the guitars or any other musician on stage.
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That's my new favorite adjective: Milli-Vanilli'd :thumbsup:
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Its a new one to me but a kepper!
 
I know what I saw and heard and I don't want to believe it myself. The thing that really caught my attention was the evenly perfect mix. Guitar solos were not volume boosted or anything, it was an even keel across the board. At first I though maybe the rhythm parts were recorded and they were just chuggin along and not really playing. The solos may have been live but I was doing my best to follow to see if they actually were. Pitrelli was on the opposite side of the stage from me. His solos sounded the most "real" to me. The other guitarist was closest to me and on a few parts he uses the tremolo and it was clearly off to what I heard. Granted these guys are all professional touring musicians and I am not doubting that for a second. They could mimic every part/note played and never play a note.

Anothr thing was the overall volume level was really low for a live performance. Maybe because of the old people that attend these shows? IDK.

My daughter plays in the Colorado Springs youth symphony orchestra. She plays violin and is 11 years old. I went to her performance a couple weeks back at the Pikes Peak center here in the Springs. These are kids no older than 18 and they killed it. The string section of TSO consisted of local players and only one or two professional members. I could see and hear that they were playing to a backing track. No question.

My wife has been to a bunch of concerts with me over the past 12 years and without me saying a word she said "why was that pre recorded?" She has no musical back ground at all. So my point is that I did not lay the seed first.

I know you guys are not buying it and don't blame you. Don't know what else to say. I am not trying to ruin anyone's credibilty here. Like I said before these are professionals. I am questioning how much of it was broadway type production.
 
Gainfreak":3nv51rp0 said:
It's not fake and Im not exactly sure what you saw. I'm friends with Al Pitrelli and Joel Hoekstra. Joel has recently landed the TSO tour and I know for a fact that he busted his ass learning the songs and all the stage stage cues. Al also commented that he was doing Long rehearsals.
Im not saying that parts might be played to a backing track, as a lot of broadway type shows do this, but for the most part, I know they both play live.

Hope this helps
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Any clarification on what I thought I saw would be great. I was just disapointed with what I thought I was going to see and what my brain told me I was hearing/seeing. :dunno: They both had great stage presence. Lots of energy. I am not questioning abilty. Just questioning what I heard. Thanks.
 
glpg80":4hpigukg said:
they arent fake. believe whatever you want, they play music. its savatage and the west coast TSO just hired vitali kuprij for their keyboards this season around - if it was fake such a musician wouldnt even be bothered with his time .
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That's exactly what I was thinking the entire time. :aww:
 
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