Would two 2x12 match up against one 4x12??

[maddnotez]

Same company, same speakers just hypothetical.

Would it give the same oomph?

Would there be any significant differences?

Im getting old and tired of lugging gear.

 

[Chris6870]

Splawn 2x12 is pretty badass.

 

[LP Freak]

Never A/B'd both but if I had to guess I'd say the 2x12's would be close but because of the larger internal volume of a 4x12 I'd say no.

 

[university81]

Probably not

to drive two 2x12s - 2x 4ohm or 8ohm outs of your amp driving 2 sets of 2 speakers and from what i understand would need more power to drive it at the same volume/output
as opposed to 1x 4/8/16ohm driving 4 speakers at once

however, you can more easily mix and match speakers /open back etc.. for some cool results, i had an open back 2x12 on top of a closed back 2x12 , sounded pretty cool

 

[JerEvil]

Splawn 2x12 is pretty badass.

Ran two 4x12's for years. One at home for practice. Honestly I have a Splawn 2x12 now and it sounds plenty full. Have another on the way.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I think if you stacked 2 Mesa Recto 2x12's ontop of eachother it woul sound pretty massive. But isn't that lugginng more gear than a single 4x12? The Mesa 2x12's are doable with 1 arm but pretty heavy still.

 

[maddnotez]

Yea silly question and thread sorry.

I do think Two 2x12's would be alot easier to lug around than a 4x12. I Usually do have a helping hand but it doesnt seem like it would really be worth it.

 

[suhrimmetal]

Sound is going to be a bit different but still sound damn good and big. Plus, you could stage separate them for better stage volume, and overall sound for you and front of house if you're not mic'd. Plus, plus, you could run them in a wet/dry setup if you have a poweramp and either line out on amp or line out box... Sounds REALLY good That's what I currently do. I probably won't go back to a dry rig again.

side note... Stone age, os bogner sound damn close to the 4x12's Ive had. Very 'big', airy, and don't lose that lowend that some 2x12's seem to lack. Good luck. Cheers

Cory

 

[suhrimmetal]

Yea silly question and thread sorry.

I do think Two 2x12's would be alot easier to lug around than a 4x12. I Usually do have a helping hand but it doesnt seem like it would really be worth it.

Yes, works great for me since I can't fit a 4x12 in my vehicle do to height... 2 2x12's fit and are easy to lug around.

 

[maddnotez]

Sound is going to be a bit different but still sound damn good and big. Plus, you could stage separate them for better stage volume, and overall sound for you and front of house if you're not mic'd. Plus, plus, you could run them in a wet/dry setup if you have a poweramp and either line out on amp or line out box... Sounds REALLY good That's what I currently do. I probably won't go back to a dry rig again.

side note... Stone age, os bogner sound damn close to the 4x12's Ive had. Very 'big', airy, and don't lose that lowend that some 2x12's seem to lack. Good luck. Cheers

Cory

This sounds really cool.

But for 1 im always miced and 2 we have 2 guitarists so im not sure stage splitting is an option.

Im looking to get a new cab eventually so trying to get some opinions. Thanks for all the replies.

 

[suhrimmetal]

Sound is going to be a bit different but still sound damn good and big. Plus, you could stage separate them for better stage volume, and overall sound for you and front of house if you're not mic'd. Plus, plus, you could run them in a wet/dry setup if you have a poweramp and either line out on amp or line out box... Sounds REALLY good That's what I currently do. I probably won't go back to a dry rig again.

side note... Stone age, os bogner sound damn close to the 4x12's Ive had. Very 'big', airy, and don't lose that lowend that some 2x12's seem to lack. Good luck. Cheers

Cory

This sounds really cool.

But for 1 im always miced and 2 we have 2 guitarists so im not sure stage splitting is an option.

Im looking to get a new cab eventually so trying to get some opinions. Thanks for all the replies.

Either way you'd be good.. 1 4x12.... or 2 2x12's stacked or side by side. In either option you could use 2 mics to mic 2 different speakers, have a slight different eq but same audio mix for front of house. Or keep it simple and just mic 1 speaker. You just have a few more options with 2 2x12's... but also entails a bit more too. Cheers

 

[Devilinside]

Splawn 2x12 is pretty badass.

Ran two 4x12's for years. One at home for practice. Honestly I have a Splawn 2x12 now and it sounds plenty full. Have another on the way.

I toatally agree. I just got another splawn 212 but I have not had a chance to crank amp using both but one splawn 212 sounds pretty damn large. I do still have 2 412's but I'm hoping the 212's will replace them

 

[JerEvil]

Splawn 2x12 is pretty badass.

Ran two 4x12's for years. One at home for practice. Honestly I have a Splawn 2x12 now and it sounds plenty full. Have another on the way.

I toatally agree. I just got another splawn 212 but I have not had a chance to crank amp using both but one splawn 212 sounds pretty damn large. I do still have 2 412's but I'm hoping the 212's will replace them

I seriously don't miss my 4x12's at all. My plan will be to run my impending Quickrod and a 2x12 on my side of the stage and my Dual Rec and other 2x12 on the bass players side and run them together. We are a 3 piece original punk band.

 

[racerevlon]

Cone surface is the same (4 x 12" speakers)--the differences, as noted above, are going to be in electrical resistance, power to drive the, well, drivers, and the acoustics of running two enclosures instead of one. Two 2 x 12's would be better for stereo separation but if you're running mono a single 4 x 12 makes more sense. That said, if space is a constraint, by all means get two Splawn 2 x 12's and rock the house. The difference will be negligible, especially if mic'd.

Hope this helps.

There's a great article out there somewhere that shows the differences (you can easily calculate these as well) between running different speaker combinations. For instance, 2 x 10" actually yields more cone surface than 1 x 12" and therefore pushes more air. When calculating area, 2 x 10" yields 157 sq. in. while 1 x 12" yields 113.04 sq. in. of surface area. 2 x 12" yields 226.08 sq. in. while 4 x 10" yields 304 sq. in. 4 x 12" yields 452.16 sq. in. The article also explains that these are raw surface area numbers and do not take into account resonant frequencies, enclosure types, etc. so you have to factor in all environmental elements when trying to ascertain why one configuration sounds "bigger" than another. (Why does my 1 x 12" sound more massive than an 2 x 10" when the 2 x 10" clearly pushes more (by about 44 sq. in.) air?). Now you begin to see the beginnings of the path of TONE QUEST!!!

Cheers,

 

[maddnotez]

This never ending tone quest is starting to wear me out.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

This never ending tone quest is starting to wear me out.

Then seriously stop for a while and JUST play.

 

[maddnotez]

This never ending tone quest is starting to wear me out.

Then seriously stop for a while and JUST play.

Hmmm, good advice...

But I play quite often and we gig regularly and just need to work on our tone. (as advised by many pros that is what we need to work on, when people that have been there done that tell me hey you guys are great but your tone sucks it makes it a big deal for me to address)

So its kind of imparitive that we do just that.

It is just a lot of $$ and headaches..As you might be able to see above im also having guitar tone issues.

 

[suhrimmetal]

This never ending tone quest is starting to wear me out.

Then seriously stop for a while and JUST play.

Hmmm, good advice...

But I play quite often and we gig regularly and just need to work on our tone. (as advised by many pros that is what we need to work on, when people that have been there done that tell me hey you guys are great but your tone sucks it makes it a big deal for me to address)

So its kind of imparitive that we do just that.

It is just a lot of $$ and headaches..As you might be able to see above im also having guitar tone issues.

You want tone.. Get a Gower/Fortin or a Friedman.. a guitar that stays in tune w good pickups(aldrichs, BKP,etc) and a cab with the right speakers for the amp. Throw a good delay in the loop for leads(if thats your thing).. a tuner... Done! Of course if you're running mic'd into PA, have a soundguy that can deliver your stage tone out front! Nothing worse than a great player with bad tone.. except for a bad player with bad tone You'll figure it out. Good luck and all the best.

 

[maddnotez]

This never ending tone quest is starting to wear me out.

Then seriously stop for a while and JUST play.

Hmmm, good advice...

But I play quite often and we gig regularly and just need to work on our tone. (as advised by many pros that is what we need to work on, when people that have been there done that tell me hey you guys are great but your tone sucks it makes it a big deal for me to address)

So its kind of imparitive that we do just that.

It is just a lot of $$ and headaches..As you might be able to see above im also having guitar tone issues.

You want tone.. Get a Gower/Fortin or a Friedman.. a guitar that stays in tune w good pickups(aldrichs, BKP,etc) and a cab with the right speakers for the amp. Throw a good delay in the loop for leads(if thats your thing).. a tuner... Done! Of course if you're running mic'd into PA, have a soundguy that can deliver your stage tone out front! Nothing worse than a great player with bad tone.. except for a bad player with bad tone You'll figure it out. Good luck and all the best.

Anyone selling a used soundguy???

 

[suhrimmetal]

This never ending tone quest is starting to wear me out.

Then seriously stop for a while and JUST play.

Hmmm, good advice...

But I play quite often and we gig regularly and just need to work on our tone. (as advised by many pros that is what we need to work on, when people that have been there done that tell me hey you guys are great but your tone sucks it makes it a big deal for me to address)

So its kind of imparitive that we do just that.

It is just a lot of $$ and headaches..As you might be able to see above im also having guitar tone issues.

You want tone.. Get a Gower/Fortin or a Friedman.. a guitar that stays in tune w good pickups(aldrichs, BKP,etc) and a cab with the right speakers for the amp. Throw a good delay in the loop for leads(if thats your thing).. a tuner... Done! Of course if you're running mic'd into PA, have a soundguy that can deliver your stage tone out front! Nothing worse than a great player with bad tone.. except for a bad player with bad tone You'll figure it out. Good luck and all the best.

Anyone selling a used soundguy???

Just hire a gorgeous, sexy girl. Even if you sound bad, no one will care... they'll all be looking at her. And beautiful girls can do no wrong.. especially in short, small doses