Wtf is it with L. P ''s

[pstar]

You just need to try allot of them...

+1

any idea what is tom's turn a round these days for a new build ?

 

[rupe]

As a former Gibson dealer and vintage/used guitar flipper, I have no problem believing the OP. Les Pauls are like a box of chocolates....

Shawn, I hope you bought a lottery ticket at the same time you went 1 for 1 on your first LP purchase...that was definitely your lucky day

 

[pstar]

h.c. crowd comin here should pay for admission first before they can post

 

[King Guitar]

You just need to try allot of them...

+1

any idea what is tom's turn a round these days for a new build ?

2 years

 

[pstar]

I also call bullshit. Les Paul's aren't for everyone. I find it hard to believe you went 0-20.

There are dogs in every line including Suhr, Anderson, PRS, Jackson, ESP, Gibson and Fender.

I've been playing since the early 80's never cared one bit for LP's and bought one in March/April of this year. I didn't lay my hands on it before buying (eBay) and my other guitars are not being touched hardly since.

If you don't like them that's cool but you are full of it if you went 0-20.

These were all new 2012 models, and the 2 stores are the largest music chain store in Canada. Also their mother company owned the music chain store is the distributor for the entire country. Maybe their lower quality (rejects) that are shipped to Canada ?
I invite anyone to come and visit, and check it out.
Perhaps we have different expectations
And have u played many different era l.p's. ?
I've always been l.p player 40 years

I have a 2012 model traditional plus. What specifically made you think all 20 guitars were junk, was it set up, feel,sound finish? I could see maybe 30-40% hit or miss but 100% and that included CS and R9's? just doesn't see right. Unless the retailer is buying factor seconds to increase profit margins I just do not believe not one of the 20 would be a good one. I'm fully aware of Gibson's inconsistencies and guess beat all lotto odds and got a killer LP my first purchase lol.

I admit I've not played a lot of LP's but I did use a vocalists mid 70's LPC's for a few songs of the set. It played well as sounded good but I was a Floyded super strat guy so I really didnt care for it as at the time I thought they were old dudes guitars . The only other one that I ever played was a 2012 Standard at Guitar Center when they first came out shortly after buying my Trad+. The guitar was pretty much perfect and I was looking for issues, didn't find any on that one.

brother, what experience do you have , u only played 2 L.P.'s in your life. I've played well over a hundred, owned over a dozen, and played many copies since the 70's.

How can u make such a comment , when u have NO EXPERIENCE with them.

I extend a offer to come with me and try them!

this so called super strat is older then L.p. design, the strat came before the l.p.. Super Strat is a old man's guitar with a different tremolo design. These so called super strat are 36 year old designs.
"Floyd D. Rose first started working on what would later become the Floyd Rose Tremolo in 1976.[3] He was playing in a rock band at the time, inspired by Jimi Hendrix and Deep Purple, where he used the vibrato bar a lot but failed to be able to keep his guitars in tune using traditional approaches like lubricating the nut, or winding the strings as little as possible around the tuning pegs.
Were u in existence or still sperm ?


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[thiswaythatway]

Last time I was in Guitar Center I picked up a Les Paul...it sucked so I grabbed anther one. That one sucked as well so I grabbed another one.....That one sucked. After grabbing and sucking I grabbed an Ernie Ball 25th Axis and it didn't suck.

I'm sure plenty of people grab a shitty LP and have visions of Slash and Zakk dancing in their heads which filters out much of the suck.

 

[King Guitar]

Not be that guy but the Gibson Les Paul debuted in 1952 and the Fender Stratocaster in 1954.

I also call bullshit. Les Paul's aren't for everyone. I find it hard to believe you went 0-20.

There are dogs in every line including Suhr, Anderson, PRS, Jackson, ESP, Gibson and Fender.

I've been playing since the early 80's never cared one bit for LP's and bought one in March/April of this year. I didn't lay my hands on it before buying (eBay) and my other guitars are not being touched hardly since.

If you don't like them that's cool but you are full of it if you went 0-20.

These were all new 2012 models, and the 2 stores are the largest music chain store in Canada. Also their mother company owned the music chain store is the distributor for the entire country. Maybe their lower quality (rejects) that are shipped to Canada ?
I invite anyone to come and visit, and check it out.
Perhaps we have different expectations
And have u played many different era l.p's. ?
I've always been l.p player 40 years

I have a 2012 model traditional plus. What specifically made you think all 20 guitars were junk, was it set up, feel,sound finish? I could see maybe 30-40% hit or miss but 100% and that included CS and R9's? just doesn't see right. Unless the retailer is buying factor seconds to increase profit margins I just do not believe not one of the 20 would be a good one. I'm fully aware of Gibson's inconsistencies and guess beat all lotto odds and got a killer LP my first purchase lol.

I admit I've not played a lot of LP's but I did use a vocalists mid 70's LPC's for a few songs of the set. It played well as sounded good but I was a Floyded super strat guy so I really didnt care for it as at the time I thought they were old dudes guitars . The only other one that I ever played was a 2012 Standard at Guitar Center when they first came out shortly after buying my Trad+. The guitar was pretty much perfect and I was looking for issues, didn't find any on that one.

brother, what experience do you have , u only played 2 L.P.'s in your life. I've played well over a hundred, owned over a dozen, and played many copies since the 70's.

How can u make such a comment , when u have NO EXPERIENCE with them.

I extend a offer to come with me and try them!

this so called super strat is older then L.p. design, the strat came before the l.p.. Super Strat is a old man's guitar with a different tremolo design. These so called super strat are 36 year old designs.
"Floyd D. Rose first started working on what would later become the Floyd Rose Tremolo in 1976.[3] He was playing in a rock band at the time, inspired by Jimi Hendrix and Deep Purple, where he used the vibrato bar a lot but failed to be able to keep his guitars in tune using traditional approaches like lubricating the nut, or winding the strings as little as possible around the tuning pegs.
Were u in existence or still sperm ?


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[some dude]

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So.... are you actually going to do something about it? Or just bitch about it on the internet?

 

[rupe]

the strat came before the l.p.. :

Try again

Edit: I see Brad beat me to it

 

['63-Strat]

Not be that guy but the Gibson Les Paul debuted in 1952 and the Fender Stratocaster in 1954.

Beat me to it

 

[MississippiMetal]

Last time I was in Guitar Center I picked up a Les Paul...it sucked so I grabbed anther one. That one sucked as well so I grabbed another one.....That one sucked. After grabbing and sucking I grabbed an Ernie Ball 25th Axis and it didn't suck.

I'm sure plenty of people grab a shitty LP and have visions of Slash and Zakk dancing in their heads which filters out much of the suck.

I had the exact opposite. I tried 3 Ernie Ball Axis models and all played worse than my Charvel Promod (it played excellent) did out of the box. The moment I picked up a Les Paul (2012 Goldtop Traditional), I felt like a guitar player again.

I think a lot of people get bent out of shape about instrument quality simply by referencing the way its set up from the factory, so they just set it down and pick up another. I take a much more annoying (to the guitar shop staff, anyway) approach to buying an instrument. If I see a guitar I like, and it doesn't play as well as I want, I take it to the "repair" station. Most stores, even GC, have one. There, I check neck relief, nut slot depth, intonation, and if need be, look for uneven fret heights. I do this with a StewMac String Action Gauge that I keep with me all the time:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Strai ... 3&xsr=1602

It has measurements for string heigh, string spacing, and slot depth. Plus it's useful as a fret-rocker to look for high frets. The whole process takes a few minutes.

By doing all this, I can determine if the playability issues are due to poor setup, or likely poor manufacturing.

What I'm concerned with when purchasing a guitar are general quality things like no issues with the finish, or there being no gaps where parts of the instrument meet (such as binding or nut bed) that would indicate poor fit or improper adhesion. A fretboard that appears to be poorly radiused, or a warped neck is bad. Nut slots that are too deep are also a deal breaker for me. I don't want to fit a guitar with a new nut when I just laid $3,000 on it. I can handle improper action, improper neck relief, incorrect intonation, a couple of high frets, or some sloppy wiring, though if the instrument is sexy enough.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

I also call bullshit. Les Paul's aren't for everyone. I find it hard to believe you went 0-20.

There are dogs in every line including Suhr, Anderson, PRS, Jackson, ESP, Gibson and Fender.

I've been playing since the early 80's never cared one bit for LP's and bought one in March/April of this year. I didn't lay my hands on it before buying (eBay) and my other guitars are not being touched hardly since.

If you don't like them that's cool but you are full of it if you went 0-20.

These were all new 2012 models, and the 2 stores are the largest music chain store in Canada. Also their mother company owned the music chain store is the distributor for the entire country. Maybe their lower quality (rejects) that are shipped to Canada ?
I invite anyone to come and visit, and check it out.
Perhaps we have different expectations
And have u played many different era l.p's. ?
I've always been l.p player 40 years

I have a 2012 model traditional plus. What specifically made you think all 20 guitars were junk, was it set up, feel,sound finish? I could see maybe 30-40% hit or miss but 100% and that included CS and R9's? just doesn't see right. Unless the retailer is buying factor seconds to increase profit margins I just do not believe not one of the 20 would be a good one. I'm fully aware of Gibson's inconsistencies and guess beat all lotto odds and got a killer LP my first purchase lol.

I admit I've not played a lot of LP's but I did use a vocalists mid 70's LPC's for a few songs of the set. It played well as sounded good but I was a Floyded super strat guy so I really didnt care for it as at the time I thought they were old dudes guitars . The only other one that I ever played was a 2012 Standard at Guitar Center when they first came out shortly after buying my Trad+. The guitar was pretty much perfect and I was looking for issues, didn't find any on that one.

brother, what experience do you have , u only played 2 L.P.'s in your life. I've played well over a hundred, owned over a dozen, and played many copies since the 70's.

How can u make such a comment , when u have NO EXPERIENCE with them.

I extend a offer to come with me and try them!

this so called super strat is older then L.p. design, the strat came before the l.p.. Super Strat is a old man's guitar with a different tremolo design. These so called super strat are 36 year old designs.
"Floyd D. Rose first started working on what would later become the Floyd Rose Tremolo in 1976.[3] He was playing in a rock band at the time, inspired by Jimi Hendrix and Deep Purple, where he used the vibrato bar a lot but failed to be able to keep his guitars in tune using traditional approaches like lubricating the nut, or winding the strings as little as possible around the tuning pegs.
Were u in existence or still sperm ?


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My experience with LP's is irrelevent really. I own several higher end USA made guitars, owned may more that I no longer have. I bult a bunch of top notch guitars myself . I know a POS when I pick one up, it doesnt matter the make or model. On the opposite end of the spectrum I know a great playing sounding guitar...name on the headstock does not matter. I've been playing since late 81....I know my shit and how to set up, repair, refinish and build guitars...Les Pauls included.

I call a spade a spade when I see one and call bullshit here. Answer the question on specifically what made you think 20 LP's were junk. What was it? All in your head unless you played the same dog 20 times

Your history is incorrect. I'm 48

 

[Shawn Lutz]

As a former Gibson dealer and vintage/used guitar flipper, I have no problem believing the OP. Les Pauls are like a box of chocolates....

Shawn, I hope you bought a lottery ticket at the same time you went 1 for 1 on your first LP purchase...that was definitely your lucky day

Bill, I never have that luck playing the lotto, most I ever won was 3 bucks. But I only play when jackpots are 40 million, like I couldn't use 4 mill lol.

OP is talking new 2012's

I can understand floor models being set up poorly and neglected which may be the issue. I wouldn't call a guitar junk just because of a poor setup...it's such an easy thing to do.

 

[rupe]

As a former Gibson dealer and vintage/used guitar flipper, I have no problem believing the OP. Les Pauls are like a box of chocolates....

Shawn, I hope you bought a lottery ticket at the same time you went 1 for 1 on your first LP purchase...that was definitely your lucky day

Bill, I never have that luck playing the lotto, most I ever won was 3 bucks. But I only play when jackpots are 40 million, like I couldn't use 4 mill lol.

OP is talking new 2012's

I can understand floor models being set up poorly and neglected which may be the issue. I wouldn't call a guitar junk just because of a poor setup...it's such an easy thing to do.

Agreed

 

[Ventura]

 

[scottywompas]

I played probably 5 or 6 before I settled on my 95 Studio. Fortunately I worked at the store so I had the opportunity to play them right when they came out of the box.

I bought a second one about a year later used. I played it for a bit but it didn't do it for me so I sold it.

Scott

 

[pstar]

shawn, ignore the last comment. We're both from the same generation, u sounded much younger.
Unstable tuning on the r9 & custom shop l.p's . Most sounded dead, not resonant. Some frets fretting out, poor binding workmanship - spots not flush with body and on neck, inlay cut ins not fitted tight on fretboard (gaps) rough feel, nut off center on neck gluded beyond the edge, some were buzzing, bad intonation, some tops not close to matching .
Very disappointed. Will be holding onto my current older l.p.'s.
Will continue looking for l.p, vibe type of guitar to added to the coral, but it won't be from gibson.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

shawn, ignore the last comment. We're both from the same generation, u sounded much younger.
Unstable tuning on the r9 & custom shop l.p's . Most sounded dead, not resonant. Some frets fretting out, poor binding workmanship - spots not flush with body and on neck, inlay cut ins not fitted tight on fretboard (gaps) rough feel, nut off center on neck gluded beyond the edge, some were buzzing, bad intonation, some tops not close to matching .
Very disappointed. Will be holding onto my current older l.p.'s.
Will continue looking for l.p, vibe type of guitar to added to the coral, but it won't be from gibson.

Damn. Did they have bunch of leftover NOS that haven't sold? The retailer can't do anything about poor Gibson QC but they can set up, adjust the neck and maintain their stock and it would help sell them. What city were you in? Just curious, it almost sounds like they got factory seconds. I can under a bunch of paws tweaking the thumb wheels and necks needing tweaking but shoddy workmanship on 2000-4000 dollar guitar. I expect pert near perfection in that price range.

 

[Schaf]

Interesting, The last few I've picked up at the local guitar center were awesome right off the rack. Those included a traditional pro and one of those satin studios that cost 799 new. Awesome guitar for the price. Looks cool too.

But shawn is right. Most of the time a good setup will cure most ussues.

 

[splatter]

I have been playing since the 70's and I have had alot of les pauls over the years .For the most part what is wrong with the guitar your picking up in the music store is setup . Don't think that just because the action is low that the guitar is set up correctly . You need to learn to look at things that can be adjusted like neck relief ,intonation and even fret height . I admit on a new guitar you don't want to have to dress and crown the frets ,but if it needs it and you can get a deal on it because of it I would take it .As far as electronics go I admit gibson leaves alot to be desired the pots are tone sucking crap. Back in the day gibson pickups were great . Now days they SUCK . So if I'm buying a Gibson its a given i'm changing the pickups and pots . I just figure that into the price of the guitar .
For the most part most of the gear I buy I buy used anyway that way down the road if I want to turn it I don't lose my arse .