YET ANOTHER scammer on Reverb.com

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I received the following message from a buyer, then called him and explained that he can't run his overdrives in the FX loop. Then he sends me the second message. These guys are coming out of the woodwork...

"Got your message.
Since I do not have your number, you show as "unknown" caller so I don't answer ....as I get a lot of investor type cold calls.
Key ...is to understand how to use a boost pedal without hurting the amp...as using the effects loop def did not work with an overdrive pedal.
Very weird sound to the amp when I tried to use??? Even at low, low volume????
Let me know how to approach this ..as this seems to be the only issue.
Thx for your support....."

"The only issue I have is that I have my pedal rack going through the effects loop. The chorus and the reverb are great. The only thing that is a major, major problem is overdrive pedals.

I have two overdrive pedals. One is an Amptweaker tight rock. When I engage this pedal, the amp basically shuts down. Very weird frequency sounds -as if the amp is going to explode. Not cool.

I don't know why this is not happening. I know the effects loop comes after the pre-amp. Maybe this has something to do with it.

Can you please advise ... as if this is not correctable, I would want to return the amp.

Other than this issue, everything else seems fine."
 
He's an idiot. Stupidity is not a reason to return an amp lol....
 
This sucks dude. These stories are making me worry about trying to sell stuff.
 
This is why I avoid ebay and reverb whenever possible. Even on forums and fb I usually refuse to deal with most people. It's just not worth the headache most of the time. I think now when I sell its someone I've dealt with at least once before 85% of the time
 
Doesn't sound like a scammer, just sounds ignorant of how to boost; we all started somewhere. :lol: :LOL:
 
cardinal":v3hl1lg6 said:
This sucks dude. These stories are making me worry about trying to sell stuff.
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Yeah these people ruin things for everyone else. They have no conscience whatsoever about scamming or taking advantage of honest people. It's quite pathetic. I'm still waiting to hear back on the first case, and depending on that, will decide whether to dum p Reverb like I dumped EBay.
 
Agreed with all the above comments. Sells dont have an idiot-return policy.
 
I thought the Amptweaker stuff were preamp pedals designed to run through the FX loop like the AMT pedals? He might have a legit concern, but assuming the other pedals are working it's more likely that he has an issue with the pedal, or doesn't know how to use it properly. I would tell him basically that and see what he says. Doesn't seem like a scammer to me, just a little ignorant on how to use his gear.
 
tell him to fuck off. the FX loop works as it should. sellers aren't Guitar Center.
 
ubermetaldood":2lkz1hyk said:
I received the following message from a buyer, then called him and explained that he can't run his overdrives in the FX loop. Then he sends me the second message. These guys are coming out of the woodwork...

"Got your message.
Since I do not have your number, you show as "unknown" caller so I don't answer ....as I get a lot of investor type cold calls.
Key ...is to understand how to use a boost pedal without hurting the amp...as using the effects loop def did not work with an overdrive pedal.
Very weird sound to the amp when I tried to use??? Even at low, low volume????
Let me know how to approach this ..as this seems to be the only issue.
Thx for your support....."

"The only issue I have is that I have my pedal rack going through the effects loop. The chorus and the reverb are great. The only thing that is a major, major problem is overdrive pedals.

I have two overdrive pedals. One is an Amptweaker tight rock. When I engage this pedal, the amp basically shuts down. Very weird frequency sounds -as if the amp is going to explode. Not cool.

I don't know why this is not happening. I know the effects loop comes after the pre-amp. Maybe this has something to do with it.

Can you please advise ... as if this is not correctable, I would want to return the amp.

Other than this issue, everything else seems fine."
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The guy you're dealing with might be confused by the fact that a LOT of guys use our TightMetal/TightRock pedals straight INTO the effects Return, bypassing the preamp. It sounds like he's trying to run the pedal in the loop like a chorus, because he heard people saying they used it 'in the effects loop'. Feel free to quote me that although you could patch a clean boost pedal that way, a high gain distortion like the TightRock pedal won't work well that way, unless you're bypassing the preamp by and going straight in..... Guitar>TightRock IN, TightRock OUT>Amp FX Return. Some guys also will patch their amp's preamp into the SideTrak loop, so when the TightRock is OFF, their regular Amp's preamp works. To do that he would patch it this way:

Guitar>TR IN, TR SideTrak SND>Amp IN, Amp FX SND>TR SideTrak RET, TR OUT>other effects like chorus/delay, Out of that chain>Amp FX Return.

James B
amptweaker.com
 
amptweaker":8s6fvfzb said:
ubermetaldood":8s6fvfzb said:
I received the following message from a buyer, then called him and explained that he can't run his overdrives in the FX loop. Then he sends me the second message. These guys are coming out of the woodwork...

"Got your message.
Since I do not have your number, you show as "unknown" caller so I don't answer ....as I get a lot of investor type cold calls.
Key ...is to understand how to use a boost pedal without hurting the amp...as using the effects loop def did not work with an overdrive pedal.
Very weird sound to the amp when I tried to use??? Even at low, low volume????
Let me know how to approach this ..as this seems to be the only issue.
Thx for your support....."

"The only issue I have is that I have my pedal rack going through the effects loop. The chorus and the reverb are great. The only thing that is a major, major problem is overdrive pedals.

I have two overdrive pedals. One is an Amptweaker tight rock. When I engage this pedal, the amp basically shuts down. Very weird frequency sounds -as if the amp is going to explode. Not cool.

I don't know why this is not happening. I know the effects loop comes after the pre-amp. Maybe this has something to do with it.

Can you please advise ... as if this is not correctable, I would want to return the amp.

Other than this issue, everything else seems fine."
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The guy you're dealing with might be confused by the fact that a LOT of guys use our TightMetal/TightRock pedals straight INTO the effects Return, bypassing the preamp. It sounds like he's trying to run the pedal in the loop like a chorus, because he heard people saying they used it 'in the effects loop'. Feel free to quote me that although you could patch a clean boost pedal that way, a high gain distortion like the TightRock pedal won't work well that way, unless you're bypassing the preamp by and going straight in..... Guitar>TightRock IN, TightRock OUT>Amp FX Return. Some guys also will patch their amp's preamp into the SideTrak loop, so when the TightRock is OFF, their regular Amp's preamp works. To do that he would patch it this way:

Guitar>TR IN, TR SideTrak SND>Amp IN, Amp FX SND>TR SideTrak RET, TR OUT>other effects like chorus/delay, Out of that chain>Amp FX Return.

James B
amptweaker.com
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Thanks. That's a great help. Can he damage the amp running it that way? Do you mind if I put him in touch with you?
 
RG955TT":yh0fwnzk said:
He's an idiot. Stupidity is not a reason to return an amp lol....
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I sold a rectifier to someone who said it was broken because the "red channel" was louder than the "orange channel" when both volumes were set exactly the same...
 
Selling really can be painful. As others have said, this guy isn't a scammer, he just doesn't understand the used gear world. The fact that he assumes he can return it to you just like that tells me that he's new to the whole thing.

There are some seriously weird people out there. I love flipping gear, it keeps things interesting, but the last couple of buyers I've sold to have been off their rocker. It's part of the price. All I've learned is to be very careful when giving item descriptions concerning condition, take good pictures, don't ever say "mint" cause some asshole will find a swirl, etc.

In the end, I like Reverb a lot and have had more success on there than on the forums lately.
 
The thing with Reverb is that it makes it very easy for the seller to appear to be an actual store, and so people who don't know what the site is maybe be confused by that and expect that they can return things.
 
Here's the deal so far... It's obvious that he doesn't know what he's doing; however, a few things stand out to me which leads me to believe that he's pulling a little con...

* First of all, he asked me to call him, so I called and explained how it all worked and that he shouldn't be running the pedal that way. Then the next morning, I get this message he posted. Therefore, why does he ask how to do it and then still insist on doing it the same wrong way?

* He also mentioned returning it in his message. When we spoke on the phone, he was telling me how great it sounded, etc... but then said it sounded exactly like a JCM800 clone he has. It occurred to me that he could possibly be thinking there's too much of an overlap between his two amps and wants to return the more valuable one.

* He's been holding feedback. If he got the amp and it works fine with all his other effects, and he's obviously using his pedal wrong, then why hold feedback? My shop policy clearly states there are not returns or refunds on used items.

* He doesn't respond in a timely manner. It seems to me that he's trying to figure out how to respond rather than sincerely resolve his issue.

The fact that his effects work fine, his overdrives work fine in the front end, and everything else about the amp works fine, tells me that he just has buyer's remorse and wants to weasel his way to a refund or some money back. The other thing I'm concerned with is that he may damage the amp, and even if I decided to take it back, I don't know what damage he might have caused. I'm considering offering to buy the amp back from him (at a lower cost of course) if he feels it's not the right amp for him, but I don't know what condition I will receive it in.

We will see. I haven't heard back from him since his message this morning, so I think he's already set his mind to trying to get a refund. Here we go again I guess...
 
In my experience the Reverb.com staff are vastly more helpful then dealing with Ebay. They aren't nearly as biased towards buyers as Ebay/PayPal are now. There's still nothing to stop him from opening a case with PayPal if that is how he paid, but consider sending a message to the Reverb support staff and they may be able to talk some sense into the guy. The item arrived in the condition it was advertised in, end of story.
 
If he hasn't asked for a refund yet, just wait and see what he does. My total speculation is that he does have buyers remorse but he's gauging whether you're a push over for it or not. If he senses that you're not simply going to say "sure, send it back," he may just suck it up and move on.

He's kinda blown his case because he apparently agreed it works with the vast majority of his pedals, and it's not like you guaranteed it to work with however he's attempting to use that tweaker thing. So I would think an unbiased observer would assume the amp is working as it was intended to work.
 
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