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Their AXE FX tone sounds like mushy shit. Obviously could be the venue PA....it’s really bad though. Mud city. :no:



EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHllIdeEZ1k

I'll have to say its the venue.....sounds pretty decent here... :confused:

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:aww: That sucks.

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Yup, miss the old Mesa days.

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I used to be the biggest Metallica fanboi but their tone has gone downhill slowly, I've been to almost every show in the Bay Area starting in 1991. That was amazing live tone during the black album tour is all I can say but my ears were ringing for three days after.

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I used to be the biggest Metallica fanboi but their tone has gone downhill slowly, I've been to almost every show in the Bay Area starting in 1991. That was amazing live tone during the black album tour is all I can say but my ears were ringing for three days after.



Yeah last night was my fifth time but first time in 14 years. Sad shit.

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There has been tons of complaints about Metallica’s live tone for years now. Long before they ever used the Axe FX.

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I'm going to see them in a few weeks and haven't seen them since 92'. I'll have to give a report on the tonez and see if they adjusted. That does suck though because "mush" has always been the opposite of Metallica's sound.


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I'm going end of month. The venue is outstanding for live tone so we will see. The venue makes a huge difference

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I'm going end of month. The venue is outstanding for live tone so we will see. The venue makes a huge difference



No doubt. I was outside at austin City Limits. So....

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Best they sounded to me was the Master of Puppets tour. Since then hit and miss.

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The best tone ever was when they were on Howard Stern a couple of years ago. Then the live album came out and I was Wtf?? How can the HS show sound a billion times better?
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Really odd to make a post on rigtalk of all places during the middle of a fucking show. Be in the moment ffs.

I haven't cared for their tone in a long time. Nothing to do with the axefx. They like this upper mid crunch that just doesn't sit right to my ears. This coming from fanboy #1

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Yeah, their tone has sucked since Death Magnetic, maybe even St. Anger. I doubt it's the Axe-FX as much as it is their philosophy on EQing now. Long, long gone are the days of that monstrous Mesa crunch on Garage Days and ...AJFA.


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It’s always bummed me out how shitty they are live


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I’m seeing them in Pittsburgh in a couple weeks. Really looking forward to it. I always love seeing Metallica live. Hope they sound decent.

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It’s always bummed me out how shitty they are live


Did you ever see them in the early days ? I saw them in ‘85,’86 & ‘88 and they were badass


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i think they just need to take some vacations, they have been very active recently but i agree they need to get the real amps back

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I thought a few late night shows and with Gaga on grammy's their tone was pretty spot on the the Hardwired album for Moth, and Atlas


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sucks being at a show with a bad live sound. So many things come into play though, do you know what kind of strings they were using? ....just joking.

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Even though I prefer amps I doubt it’s the Axe and more the overall tonal/EQ choices of James, Kirk their techs and FOH. I remember a few vids from when I believe a VH4 was the primary and the sound was horrendous. A much lighter, less saturated tone but warm with no sharp attack.

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My guess is that it's the venue. I saw Megadeth a few years back at a club (2000 seater) and it was awesome. I asked the tech side stage what they were using, as it sounded so good. He said thanks, they're AXE II's, I programmed 'em.

Now different bands, different techs, etc...but with Metallica money, I doubt it's the sound going into the PA that is the problem.

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One of the worst, echoey, boomy, concerts I've seen in my life was Metallica on the Black Album tour and I know it sounded so rough because it was so loud and in the Hampton Coliseum in Virginia which just bounced sounds in all directions. I enjoyed the show because I knew the songs, etc. but have to admit it was hard to hear things.


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I've seen them 3 times so far on this tour , and I thought their tone was awesome every time. Different strokes for different folks !

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There has been tons of complaints about Metallica’s live tone for years now. Long before they ever used the Axe FX.

But these complaints only come from the 0.1% that’s made up of gear nerds and tone snobs like us here on RT. The other 99.9% think it sounds great.

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I'm going end of month. The venue is outstanding for live tone so we will see. The venue makes a huge difference



No doubt. I was outside at austin City Limits. So....

Most quality sound guys prefer outdoor venues because they aren’t fighting structural reverb and delays. Gives them more control.

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There has been tons of complaints about Metallica’s live tone for years now. Long before they ever used the Axe FX.

But these complaints only come from the 0.1% that’s made up of gear nerds and tone snobs like us here on RT. The other 99.9% think it sounds great.



True but this is a gear board!

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I'm going end of month. The venue is outstanding for live tone so we will see. The venue makes a huge difference



No doubt. I was outside at austin City Limits. So....

Most quality sound guys prefer outdoor venues because they aren’t fighting structural reverb and delays. Gives them more control.



I had that exact thought at the concert. No reflections to deal with. It was boomy mush.

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jeezooz the internet. This guy takes his phone out in the middle of a show to post nonsense on RT.

So within thousands of variable starting from the venue, the PA, the techs, the actual settings on the Axe and the artists' preferences and choices you were able to single out that the fault MUST be in the AxeFX and that the "old Mesa" would fix everything. Well done you!

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jeezooz the internet. This guy takes his phone out in the middle of a show to post nonsense on RT.

So within thousands of variable starting from the venue, the PA, the techs, the actual settings on the Axe and the artists' preferences and choices you were able to single out that the fault MUST be in the AxeFX and that the "old Mesa" would fix everything. Well done you!



Can you read? I said more than once it could be the venue.

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My guess is that it's the venue.





Outdoor gigs on a dry night are supposed to sound the best according to their guy


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heres a documentary from last tour i found interesting, crazy how big a production it all actually is



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I guess for Metallica, if there are maybe 1000 people at an arena show who really pay attention to gear and only 750 think their tone is shit, they are more than ok with the other 20+,000 that have no ears and are just so "pumped" to see "Metallllliiicaaaaaaaaa" . zzzzz I also think they are sloppy as hell now and that their tone is shit. I just have zero interest in them anymore and haven't in over ten years. They were great though, no question.


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I see them about once a year. And always enjoy the shows. Very much so.

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BYTOR wrote:
There has been tons of complaints about Metallica’s live tone for years now. Long before they ever used the Axe FX.

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Even though I prefer amps I doubt it’s the Axe and more the overall tonal/EQ choices of James, Kirk their techs and FOH. I remember a few vids from when I believe a VH4 was the primary and the sound was horrendous. A much lighter, less saturated tone but warm with no sharp attack.

That Stern video was great.

This.

I can't believe we still have tone trolls who think that Axe-FX or Kempers are the cause of bad live tone. Anyone who has run large venue live sound or done studio recording knows the culprit for bad tone almost always lies somewhere after the amp.

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I've been going to shows is arenas since the early 80's.

Most of the shows I've seen have sounded fantastic. AC/DC, Priest, Dio, Van Halen, Maiden, Metallica, Accept, Crue............and on and on.

You'd think with the advent over modern p.a. systems and power sources that the sound would be much better than the old days.

Theater's are a different story altogether.

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There has been tons of complaints about Metallica’s live tone for years now. Long before they ever used the Axe FX.

skoora wrote:
Even though I prefer amps I doubt it’s the Axe and more the overall tonal/EQ choices of James, Kirk their techs and FOH. I remember a few vids from when I believe a VH4 was the primary and the sound was horrendous. A much lighter, less saturated tone but warm with no sharp attack.

That Stern video was great.

This.

I can't believe we still have tone trolls who think that Axe-FX or Kempers are the cause of bad live tone. Anyone who has run large venue live sound or done studio recording knows the culprit for bad tone almost always lies somewhere after the amp.



Good goddamn. Does anyone here understand logic or not live with their mother? I never said the AXE was to blame. I own a Kemper and am leaning towards buying a AXE III. I simply said Metallica has a very shitty tone with the AXE II. Tons of variations including venue and artists taste. FUCK! Like a bunch of SJWs. I’m sure as fuck not trolling. Don’t have the energy for that lol.

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Good goddamn. Does anyone here understand logic or not live with their mother? I never said the AXE was to blame. I own a Kemper and am leaning towards buying a AXE III. I simply said Metallica has a very shitty tone with the AXE II. Tons of variations including venue and artists taste. FUCK! Like a bunch of SJWs. I’m sure as fuck not trolling. Don’t have the energy for that lol.


So why don’t you like the Axe or Kemper man?
Haha, just joking dude, I actually chuckled aloud in reading this, I think that’s the 3rd time you’ve tried clarifying and it just doesn’t seem to matter.

But, food to for thought, headlines draw conclusions.

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The best tone ever was when they were on Howard Stern a couple of years ago. Then the live album came out and I was Wtf?? How can the HS show sound a billion times better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOSvvdy27I


That still sounds muddy and murky to me, like their current live gigs.


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My guess is that it's the venue.





Outdoor gigs on a dry night are supposed to sound the best according to their guy



Yep. Nice and crisp.

I saw Metallica live at the Soundwave Festival in Perth over five years ago. It was at the show grounds. They played I think nearly ALL of Kill 'em All! If not the whole album. I was about halfway back from the stage in the crowd but the air was so clear, James could hear what the bloke next to me said and repeated him! (Something like "fuck knows!") The guitar sounds were fantastic, really crunchy and chuggy. Unlike what has been heard lately as well as the soggy sounds since the mid 2000s.


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Nothing can touch the blitzkrieg


I LOVE that guitar sound so damn much! :rock: :rock:

I know it was a Marshall and possibly a Tubescreamer in front but I am not completely sure. Some sources say it was the same gear as Kill 'em All but it was recorded in November 1984, well after that gear was stolen. It also sounds different to the Ride the Lightning guitar sound.


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They like this upper mid crunch that just doesn't sit right to my ears. This coming from fanboy #1


I don't even hear it as a "crunch". It's like a mucky "blatty" broad upper mid sound that doesn't even seem to distort.
Maybe a kind of brittleness, but none of that searing sizzling crunch and definitely no balls or nuts. More like squashed balls.
Something wrong with the Presence.

Maybe they blend that particular sound too high in the mix amongst the other amps? So any "crunch" gets subdued?
Or how they mic the amps?


The thing is that if you get the balance and focus right, a solid punchy less-distorted sound can really add a lot of impact and "bark" to a more highly distorted guitar sound. That is what makes it sound big and ballsy, and punch through. Doesn't just cut through, it punches.


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I'm going end of month. The venue is outstanding for live tone so we will see. The venue makes a huge difference



No doubt. I was outside at austin City Limits. So....

Most quality sound guys prefer outdoor venues because they aren’t fighting structural reverb and delays. Gives them more control.



I had that exact thought at the concert. No reflections to deal with. It was boomy mush.


Gosh...


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I actually didn't like the sound from Stern. It started off fine with James by himself, but then the palm mutes seemed to mush out and get lost in the mix. I like that punchy, palm mute thump that you can hear...and feel. Now I know it's a recorded radio show so maybe that's the issue.

I saw them back in early 2009 at the Allstate Arena here in Chicago and my recollection is that they sounded really good. Not like what people are describing or what I heard on that Stern clip.


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There has been tons of complaints about Metallica’s live tone for years now. Long before they ever used the Axe FX.

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Even though I prefer amps I doubt it’s the Axe and more the overall tonal/EQ choices of James, Kirk their techs and FOH. I remember a few vids from when I believe a VH4 was the primary and the sound was horrendous. A much lighter, less saturated tone but warm with no sharp attack.

That Stern video was great.

This.

I can't believe we still have tone trolls who think that Axe-FX or Kempers are the cause of bad live tone. Anyone who has run large venue live sound or done studio recording knows the culprit for bad tone almost always lies somewhere after the amp.



Good goddamn. Does anyone here understand logic or not live with their mother? I never said the AXE was to blame. I own a Kemper and am leaning towards buying a AXE III. I simply said Metallica has a very shitty tone with the AXE II. Tons of variations including venue and artists taste. FUCK! Like a bunch of SJWs. I’m sure as fuck not trolling. Don’t have the energy for that lol.


Cool your jets, spanky. It's a broader comment on a popular, silly sentiment on RT.

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