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His tone has changed so much over the years I’d doubt it. I’d like to think that every so often he plugs franky into the Marshall and lets it rip, but I doubt it really happens.

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I read somewhere that they used his Marshall, a 5150, and a EVH 5150 recording Different Kind, and every time they pulled up the faders on the Marshall Ed didn't like it.


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He sent it to Cameron for a mod and never saw it again.


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He sent it to Cameron for a mod and never saw it again.


Now that’s funny :)

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He prolly can't stand "the Marshall tone." After 948747383 different live events over a 40 year span, I'd prolly get tired of it too.

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I liked him better with less gain - Different Kind of Truth was his worst tone ever to me.


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I'd love to hear him limited to either the Marshall or the Crunch side of the SLO.

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Damn. Even Eddie can’t get a Cameron amp?


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Just like you can't get any pussy lol


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Just like you can't get any pussy lol


Can you tell us how you got your Cameron? Teach us the secret blowjob.

The first option in your mind, I knew we were dealing with a gay.

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Can you tell us how you got your Cameron? Teach us the secret blowjob.

The first option in your mind, I knew we were dealing with a gay.


Isn’t that the only option, when obtaining a Cameron?


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i know i read or saw an interview where ed says "the marshall" dosent sound as good as it once did, it dosent have the gain or sustain it once had


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Pseudo Drew Peterson wrote:
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Just like you can't get any pussy lol


Can you tell us how you got your Cameron? Teach us the secret blowjob.

The first option in your mind, I knew we were dealing with a gay.


Isn’t that the only option, when obtaining a Cameron?

Maybe for you :lol: :LOL:

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He sent it to Cameron for a mod and never saw it again.


:lol: :LOL:

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i know i read or saw an interview where ed says "the marshall" dosent sound as good as it once did, it dosent have the gain or sustain it once had


I read that some tech in the 80's rewired it and it didn't sound as good after that. But, Dave Friedman took a look at it within the last 10-15 years and apparently brought it back to being about as good as it was originally. Think Mike Soldano also took a brief look at it.

Honestly, I wonder how magical Eddie's plexi really was... without the variac, would the VH1/early EVH tone be renowned today?


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i know i read or saw an interview where ed says "the marshall" dosent sound as good as it once did, it dosent have the gain or sustain it once had


I read that some tech in the 80's rewired it and it didn't sound as good after that. But, Dave Friedman took a look at it within the last 10-15 years and apparently brought it back to being about as good as it was originally. Think Mike Soldano also took a brief look at it.

Honestly, I wonder how magical Eddie's plexi really was... without the variac, would the VH1/early EVH tone be renowned today?

With Ed playing it?...yes. With a mere mortal playing it?...no.


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Think Mike Soldano also took a brief look at it.





he did, he talks about it here starting at about 8:30



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBIcicqIfCM&t=174s


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Think Mike Soldano also took a brief look at it.





he did, he talks about it here starting at about 8:30



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBIcicqIfCM&t=174s


Just watched that part about EVH. Freakin cool story

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Ed stated in that Guitar World interview a few years back that his new EVH 5150-34 (made by Fender mind you) was to be just as good as his old Plexi but better in that it had more gain and more sustain. He even said that for those early VH tone chasers - this would be their amp. YMMV

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Ya my EVH 5153 EL34 kills any old Van Halen tone.
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Ed stated in that Guitar World interview a few years back that his new EVH 5150-34 (made by Fender mind you) was to be just as good as his old Plexi but better in that it had more gain and more sustain. He even said that for those early VH tone chasers - this would be their amp. YMMV

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Disclaimer: I've never played a regular 5150 III and a 5150 III-EL34 side by side but...


I don't get that...it's got basically the same preamp at the regular 5150 III, right? Without some major tweaking to the preamp on that amp, I don't see how it's instantly going to become a Plexi-lovers dream just by changing the output tubes.


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i know i read or saw an interview where ed says "the marshall" dosent sound as good as it once did, it dosent have the gain or sustain it once had


I read that some tech in the 80's rewired it and it didn't sound as good after that. But, Dave Friedman took a look at it within the last 10-15 years and apparently brought it back to being about as good as it was originally. Think Mike Soldano also took a brief look at it.

Honestly, I wonder how magical Eddie's plexi really was... without the variac, would the VH1/early EVH tone be renowned today?



I heard that 80’s tech was Bogner. lol

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I heard that 80’s tech was Bogner. lol


hahaha, that's funny. It's crazy all of the amp legends that have been inside that amp at some point: Bogner, Mike Soldano, John Suhr, Dave Friedman, Steve Fryette.


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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?

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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?


It was where Jose added a master volume.

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It was where Jose added a master volume.


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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?


It was where Jose added a master volume.

Was he the guy that did all kinds of modifications on Marshall amps for all the rock star guitarists back then, or was that someone else? Bruce Egnator maybe?

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EVH bought that Marshall when he was a kid and they weren't that rare. I think that amp was only three years old when he got it. He had no way of knowing that a '68 12000 series Rosemary was going to become the Holy Grail of Marshalls. You probably remember he stopped touring with it after it got lost in air freight for a few months, but recorded with it on every album. I'm trying to figure out how it ended up in NYC when he appeared on Letterman around '85. He couldn't play that thing in his apt. in NYC, he couldn't carry it on a plane as carry on, wouldn't ship it, probably wouldn't put it in checked baggage. Unless he flew in someone's private jet, how did it end up there, and why didn't he just borrow one from one of the stores on 48th St. for the night?

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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?


It was where Jose added a master volume.

Then why was it a hole and not a knob?

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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?


It was where Jose added a master volume.

Then why was it a hole and not a knob?

It was a knob at one point


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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?


It was where Jose added a master volume.

Then why was it a hole and not a knob?

It was a knob at one point

Exactly.

So why did Ed have it removed? Can't be a tone suck thing? Always wondered about this, not trying to be funny or anything.

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EVH bought that Marshall when he was a kid and they weren't that rare. I think that amp was only three years old when he got it. He had no way of knowing that a '68 12000 series Rosemary was going to become the Holy Grail of Marshalls. You probably remember he stopped touring with it after it got lost in air freight for a few months, but recorded with it on every album. I'm trying to figure out how it ended up in NYC when he appeared on Letterman around '85. He couldn't play that thing in his apt. in NYC, he couldn't carry it on a plane as carry on, wouldn't ship it, probably wouldn't put it in checked baggage. Unless he flew in someone's private jet, how did it end up there, and why didn't he just borrow one from one of the stores on 48th St. for the night?

Anyway, this is his rig from the 5150 tour and they're all NMVs.
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I just got a '78 NMV 100w and, while it's not the old Brown Sound, it definitely has some of that DNA in it. I saw that tour and his live tone was exponentially better than that mush on the 5150 album.


Most of those Marshall’s were slave amps and not used for Preamp tone. :thumbsup:

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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?


It was where Jose added a master volume.

Then why was it a hole and not a knob?



There was a pot in it when Eddie used it. Check out the pic.

I’m also sure there were zeners attached to the pot to give that added gain Eddie got when playing low volumes. When Eddie got bigger and played big venues where he could crank the amp, he no longer needed the master volume.

Also, all of those popular amp techs were in Eddies amp. Not one of them were in his amp back in 1978-1981, so anything they say is only based on when they saw it 20-30 years later.


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311splawndude wrote:
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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?


It was where Jose added a master volume.

Then why was it a hole and not a knob?



There was a pot in it when Eddie used it. Check out the pic.

I’m also sure there were zeners attached to the pot to give that added gain Eddie got when playing low volumes. When Eddie got bigger and played big venues where he could crank the amp, he no longer needed the master volume.

Also, all of those popular amp techs were in Eddies amp. Not one of them were in his amp back in 1978-1981, so anything they say is only based on when they saw it 20-30 years later.

This is my belief as well regardless of how many feel the amp was bone stock. No, it wasn't and Eddie will never admit it. Maybe he had some kind of contract deal with Marshall and he came to believe his own lie or there's another reason.

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glip22 wrote:
psychodave wrote:
311splawndude wrote:
sutepaj wrote:
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Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?


It was where Jose added a master volume.

Then why was it a hole and not a knob?



There was a pot in it when Eddie used it. Check out the pic.

I’m also sure there were zeners attached to the pot to give that added gain Eddie got when playing low volumes. When Eddie got bigger and played big venues where he could crank the amp, he no longer needed the master volume.

Also, all of those popular amp techs were in Eddies amp. Not one of them were in his amp back in 1978-1981, so anything they say is only based on when they saw it 20-30 years later.

This is my belief as well regardless of how many feel the amp was bone stock. No, it wasn't and Eddie will never admit it. Maybe he had some kind of contract deal with Marshall and he came to believe his own lie or there's another reason.

Absolutely. And, not sure which tech mentioned it but saying that there's no 'evidence' of any previous mod is ridiculous. Once the mv was removed, you wouldn't be able to tell anything was ever done, except for the hole on the back which can be plugged.

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Not to be annoying but why was the MV removed. Anyone know?

One could speculate that Eddie felt that the tone changed and asked to have to reversed? That's my guess. Also, would that have been a PPIMV?

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Not to be annoying but why was the MV removed. Anyone know?

One could speculate that Eddie felt that the tone changed and asked to have to reversed? That's my guess. Also, would that have been a PPIMV?


I would speculate that he probably cranked it up a few times when he got it and said "WOAHHH FUCK" that sounds good but realized there is no way a small-mid sized club is gonna let him destroy peoples hearing. So he got a master volume put in.... and then they got pretty big and he was playing big places where he could just crank it up...so he got it taken out and went from there.

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Fun to read the young'uns around here relive the voyage of discovery that is Ed's early amp tone.

Read Suhr's responses over at TGP, he was around back then. I worked for the band back in the 90s and have talked to Mike, Reinhold, etc. It was stock. Variac at 89-90v, bias dimed. Good ol' M25w GBs.

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Fun to read the young'uns around here relive the voyage of discovery that is Ed's early amp tone.

Read Suhr's responses over at TGP, he was around back then. I worked for the band back in the 90s and have talked to Mike, Reinhold, etc. It was stock. Variac at 89-90v, bias dimed. Good ol' M25w GBs.


Respectfully, Suhr, Mike, Dave and Reinhold weren’t in the amp when it was his main amp and being used to record VH1-Fair Warning. We all know Jose was in it. Jose isnt famous for keeping Marshall’s stock. :D

As we can clearly see in the pic I posted above, there is what looks like a pot sticking out of the back of the amp along with some white stickers or something....I’ve never seen a “stock” Marshall look like that. ;)


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Fun to read the young'uns around here relive the voyage of discovery that is Ed's early amp tone.

Read Suhr's responses over at TGP, he was around back then. I worked for the band back in the 90s and have talked to Mike, Reinhold, etc. It was stock. Variac at 89-90v, bias dimed. Good ol' M25w GBs.


Why is there a pot added in the back of the amp if it is "stock"? I don't really see any other stock Plexi's with a hole in the back, or a pot.

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