EXPcustom":23tlkjcu said:
Wizard of Ozz":23tlkjcu said:
steve_k":23tlkjcu said:
Same board. The wide head brings the reverb control and the SC/ClassA switch up front. There are a few with the presence up front (reverb on back) that are the holist of grails. A few were delivered with the ++ mod. All sound the same though.
This +1. The short and long heads sound the same. Mike B. @ MB will tell you the same thing. I asked him myself directly. Anyone wishing to pay extra $$$ for some magical long head mojo and elven fairy dust... go right ahead. Despite what any not so upstanding frozen pizza eating “famous” Marshall modding “techs” may tell you. I remember reading something about a fool and his money once...
If you're talking about Mark he would agree with you that anyone spending 5k on a IIC+ amp is an idiot. He doesn't think they sound that great and are inconsistent amp to amp.
As for Mike B he seems fed up with the Metallica and C+ fanboys and just tells them what they want to hear, he wants Mesa to move forward as a company not focus on one model they made 30 years ago. He's been with Mesa for over 40 years he's become pretty jaded with the bedroom players. He said yes he knows Mesa secrets but he aint talking. I remember having this conversation with him in the lobby of Mesa.
The layout of an amp makes a huge difference in tone, that's amp building 101. So of course there is a difference in tone between short and long head.
If the market will bear 5k for a long head how is it a fool and his money? I sold my loaded head in 2012 for 5500, I wasn't going turn that type of money away. I thought I did pretty good till I saw other loaded long heads going for 5k.
I really don't see the need for personal attacks over a comment regarding an amps value or how layouts can effect overall tone. Maybe that's why fewer new members and older members are participating because they don't want to get mocked for the amps they own.
I completely and absolutely disagree. Mike has modified 6 amps in the last 3 months for me... so I've had plenty of interaction with him, and he's never sounded "jaded" in the least. And never once has he asked where I use my amps or if I play in a "bedroom", arena, or county fair. I paid him for the work and he delivered. He's always been professional, courteous, and detailed. Your choice of key "hot button" words speak volumes.
"Mesa secrets" WTF?!? I have not clue what you are referring to... yeah... I'll just let that stay there.
I can see you want to keep inflating the prices of amps you have and may want sell in the future, but stick to the facts. The long or short head MKIIC+s sound the same, as long as you are comparing an original DRG to DRG... or HRG to HRG etc respectively. The size difference of the chassis is a few inches. Not feet... inches.
This all reminds me of the time last year when someone was going around swearing up and down that Mike was retiring last year... just to drive up the price of their amps and sell them quick. He also had a good chuckle at that one too.
Got to love internet rumors, fairy tales, and magic mods. Good times. Keep pumping up those prices!!!