BLIND TEST: Peavey 6505 vs Axe Fx III vs Helix (update: reveal posted!)

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Kapo_Polenton said:
Everyone should be encouraged to make their own IR's..

Technology is awesome BUT it comes with a price. It is making all of us sound identical and uniform. As I mentioned in another thread, I feel like these differences in production and gear used are what went a long way in making music sound more dynamic back in the 80's and 90's. Since then it has all summarized into one type of sound. Listening to college radio and independent artists who write crappy music sometimes is more interesting to me because of the production aspect. Each song sounds different where as more modern music sounds very similar. I wonder if modern methods are sort of impacting creativity to be honest.
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That is 100% my reason for the "sneap distaste." For example, if you listen to metal on satellite radio, you can tell ALMOST EVERY BAND uses the same sort of IR/chain. Every god damn band has the same Andy sneap influenced 5150/v30/808/57 tone, and after a decade of it, it's exhausting to listen to.

IRs are a powerful tool, but especially in heavy stuff, so many people are using the same IRs with the same amp models, that modern bands sound completely banal and bland.

Which is the ultimate irony of "can you tell the difference" videos - I can't tell the difference between any of the 6505 sounds on Liquid Metal, let alone in a YouTube video.
 
RaceU4her said:
this seems to be the common thing i see with guys who arent into anything modern, its always "what i hear on satellite".
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Because it's a great example of 3000 "modern" bands sounding EXACTLY the same, with the exact same guitar sound.

Of course there are exceptions out there, modern bands with excellent tone; but Liquid Metal is used as the example because it's so in your face with the insane banality of the production - especially the guitar sound, and the same Steven slate triggers literally everyone uses.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Because it's a great example of 3000 "modern" bands sounding EXACTLY the same, with the exact same guitar sound.

Of course there are exceptions out there, modern bands with excellent tone; but Liquid Metal is used as the example because it's so in your face with the insane banality of the production - especially the guitar sound, and the same Steven slate triggers literally everyone uses.
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You're making some huge generalizations here that are half truths. Yes, there are many, many cookie cutter bands in metal today who have nothing original to offer and are completely derivative. No, not every modern band sounds exactly the same. A few buddies have the liquid metal channel and almost everything I hear on there is generic shit- its as if the same guy who programs terrestrial radio also programs the metal radio. This might be your actual problem, the source of your new music.

The generic sounds you hate are curated for the radio BECAUSE they have that generic sound. The programmers want that standardized shit because it sells.

If you want to find new metal that doesn't follow these trends it's definitely out there, but you wont find it on fucking Sirius XM man. That's like going to a rice rocket car show and being upset you're not seeing any hotrods and V8s.

Maybe start a new thread asking for original sounding new bands and see what happens.
 
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dainbramage0 said:
You're making some huge generalizations here that are half truths. Yes, there are many, many cookie cutter bands in metal today who have nothing original to offer and are completely derivative. No, not every modern band sounds exactly the same. A few buddies have the liquid metal channel and almost everything I hear on there is generic shit- its as if the same guy who programs terrestrial radio also programs the metal radio. This might be your actual problem, the source of your new music.

The generic sounds you hate are curated for the radio BECAUSE they have that generic sound. The programmers want that standardized shit because it sells.

If you want to find new metal that doesn't follow these trends it's definitely out there, but you wont find it on fucking Sirius XM man. That's like going to a rice rocket car show and being upset you're not seeing any hotrods and V8s.

Maybe start a new thread asking for original sounding new bands and see what happens.
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lol wtf is that? For one, where is the album version. I want to see whether or not they used Sneape's IR pack. Second, that def. isn't the mainstream but if you listen to 5 songs back to back, they will sound like the same song regardless of the production.

Getting back to the argument, I think it is like stacking good preamps. The more stuff that is hyper sampled and the same stacked onto itself just lends to ear fatigue and sounds the same. I love listening to the drums on those old Maiden or Dio albums. So crisp sounding. They pop.
 
dainbramage0 said:
You're making some huge generalizations here that are half truths. Yes, there are many, many cookie cutter bands in metal today who have nothing original to offer and are completely derivative. No, not every modern band sounds exactly the same. A few buddies have the liquid metal channel and almost everything I hear on there is generic shit- its as if the same guy who programs terrestrial radio also programs the metal radio. This might be your actual problem, the source of your new music.


If you want to find new metal that doesn't follow these trends it's definitely out there, but you wont find it on fucking Sirius XM man. That's like going to a rice rocket car show and being upset you're not seeing any hotrods and V8s.
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Yes, what great and perilous folly have I committed, using a modern metal radio station as an example of modern metal music :ROFLMAO:

I have no problem finding modern metal bands or other new music that I dig, though they are admittedly getting rarer and rarer - you seem to be laboring under the delusion that my generalization meant that there weren't exceptions. Of course there are exceptions. I even said so multiple times in my posts above.

Also, I appreciate the spirit in which Portal was offered - but it's not really my thing. Thanks.
 
Kapo_Polenton said:
Getting back to the argument, I think it is like stacking good preamps. The more stuff that is hyper sampled and the same stacked onto itself just lends to ear fatigue and sounds the same. I love listening to the drums on those old Maiden or Dio albums. So crisp sounding. They pop.
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Hot damn do they ever. Those old drum sounds, they seem to get better and better with time, as modern sounds get ever more processed and boring.

There was a recent thread about this drum sound phenomenon, where I posted one of my favorite "modern" metal productions, Satan's comeback album "Life Sentence."

If they used samples at all, they were very subtly and tastefully done.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Because it's a great example of 3000 "modern" bands sounding EXACTLY the same, with the exact same guitar sound.

Of course there are exceptions out there, modern bands with excellent tone; but Liquid Metal is used as the example because it's so in your face with the insane banality of the production - especially the guitar sound, and the same Steven slate triggers literally everyone uses.
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i dont disagree they all sound the same, a lot of bands 20 years ago sounded the same on KROC here in ny and if you never turned off kroc youd have no idea of anything else going on except shitty P.O.D rip offs. Sirius to me is the new FM radio, if that is your only way of listening to new music which seems to be the case for a lot here i guess i can understand the amount of no good new music discussions, guys are literally stuck in the stone age when it comes to finding new stuff.
 
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RaceU4her said:
i dont disagree they all sound the same, a lot of bands 20 years ago sounded the same on KROC here in ny and if you never turned off kroc youd have no idea of anything else going on except shitty P.O.D rip offs. Sirius to me is the new FM radio, if that is your only way of listening to new music which seems to be the case for a lot here i guess i can understand the amount of no good new music discussions, guys are literally stuck in the stone age when it comes to finding new stuff.
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I understand the point you're making, and I agree, but I don't have that problem personally. I find plenty of new and new-to-me music with the internet.

The problem is that the Satellite radio metal sound is SO ubiquitous right now it's almost impossible to avoid.

Every YouTube video about recording metal guitar? Boring sneap sound.

Every YouTube video/demo/review about a high gain amp? "Let's hear it in a full mix!" ....Boring sneap sound

Every "heavy" song on satellite radio? Boring sneap sound.

Every "heavy" song on traditional radio? Boring sneap sound.

Every Instagram post related to a new "heavy" band? Boring sneap sound.

Every time you get in your co-workers car to go to jack-in-the-box and he knows you're into "metal"? Boring sneap sound.

That 808/v30/57/5150 signal chain and Steven Slate drum triggers sound is going to be this era of metal's equivalent of ugly brown furniture from the 70s.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Hot damn do they ever. Those old drum sounds, they seem to get better and better with time, as modern sounds get ever more processed and boring.

There was a recent thread about this drum sound phenomenon, where I posted one of my favorite "modern" metal productions, Satan's comeback album "Life Sentence."

If they used samples at all, they were very subtly and tastefully done.
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that sounded like.... a snare! Haven't heard one of those in a while.
 
DanTravis62 said:
I understand the point you're making, and I agree, but I don't have that problem personally. I find plenty of new and new-to-me music with the internet.

The problem is that the Satellite radio metal sound is SO ubiquitous right now it's almost impossible to avoid.

Every YouTube video about recording metal guitar? Boring sneap sound.

Every YouTube video/demo/review about a high gain amp? "Let's hear it in a full mix!" ....Boring sneap sound

Every "heavy" song on satellite radio? Boring sneap sound.

Every "heavy" song on traditional radio? Boring sneap sound.

Every Instagram post related to a new "heavy" band? Boring sneap sound.

Every time you get in your co-workers car to go to jack-in-the-box and he knows you're into "metal"? Boring sneap sound.

That 808/v30/57/5150 signal chain and Steven Slate drum triggers sound is going to be this era of metal's equivalent of ugly brown furniture from the 70s.
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well it is possible to avoid, just turn off the radio or satellite and get a modern music app that finds music for you based on what you search for and listen to and you wont hear that sound anymore.
 
Kapo_Polenton said:
Regardless of what people think of IR's, guitarjon does fantastic videos. He's a good guy all around and I appreciate his content!
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Agreed. He's doing some very cool work and I always like to check out his videos. I feel bad about contributing to the thread's absurd, nonsensical tangent about IR's and hope the discussion gets back on track.
 
RaceU4her said:
well it is possible to avoid, just turn off the radio or satellite and get a modern music app that finds music for you based on what you search for and listen to and you wont hear that sound anymore.
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Spotify/etc is a whole different ball of wax, and I've contributed to this derail enough :ROFLMAO:

And the vast majority of stuff I'm into isn't on music apps, anyhow.
 
My guess is c is the 6505. But really hard to tell .....so it's pretty much a wild guess
 
DanTravis62 said:
Spotify/etc is a whole different ball of wax, and I've contributed to this derail enough :ROFLMAO:

And the vast majority of stuff I'm into isn't on music apps, anyhow.
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i cant imagine what you listen to that isnt on there, im finding obscure stuff ive searched for 25 years and never found only to find it on spotify. these apps are free, to not have them is just silly
 
RaceU4her said:
these apps are free, to not have them is just silly
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Good thing so many artists enjoy making music for free. That couldn't possibly have any consequences for the quality of music going forward.
 
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