Tyrannical cops in Florida

Metalhex said:
Sounds like a really bad porno 😄 🤣
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Anyone know what happened to controlled_voltage??? Last I heard he went insane and moved to Bangkok, changed his name to Bangcock Betty or some shit and posts under the moniker stripped anus 🤪
 
ccn said:
We don't have a police problem we have a non compliance problem .
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I totally support the police, but the man in this video had multiple constitutional right violations (4th and 14th amendments). Once he showed that he didn’t have a weapon, reasonable articulable suspicion was gone and the officer had no reason or right to ID him. He was not committing any crime and was freely walking on public property. Those officers were wrong and took revenge when the man knew his rights and wanted their names and badge numbers for a complaint.
 
psychodave said:
I totally support the police, but the man in this video had multiple constitutional right violations (4th and 14th amendments). Once he showed that he didn’t have a weapon, reasonable articulable suspicion was gone and the officer had no reason or right to ID him. He was not committing any crime and was freely walking on public property. Those officers were wrong and took revenge when the man knew his rights and wanted their names and badge numbers for a complaint.
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All true, but like I said here before.. you have to understand the nature of most street cops.

They're dumb, low paid, angry, and they're on a power trip.

99% of the time, you handle a street situation the way this guy did and the judges and DA's are gonna back up the cops' bullshit. This guy might get lucky and win a lawsuit, many years down the road.
 
PLX said:
All true, but like I said here before.. you have to understand the nature of most street cops.

They're dumb, low paid, angry, and they're on a power trip.

99% of the time, you handle a street situation the way this guy did and the judges and DA's are gonna back up the cops' bullshit. This guy might get lucky and win a lawsuit, many years down the road.
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I always comply. One thing I do during traffic stops is to immediately roll down my windows and place my hands out of the driver window. This way police know where my hands are. They usually ask why I do it, which gives me the opportunity to tell them I went to school for criminal justice, have friends that are cops and understand they have a dangerous job, plus I want them to feel at ease. This usually gets me out of a ticket. I’m never a dick like some of these people on videos.
 
psychodave said:
officer had no reason or right to ID him.
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Maybe, maybe not.

A. I've read in a couple of different places he committed a pedestrian violation. Whether it's CYA or not, I don't know, wasn't there, but regardless, even taking the cane out of the picture, he could have still been issued a citation for the violation therefore ID is necessary.
B. There are departments that have or had to work under a DOJ agreement and under that agreement, information must be collected for every person an officer has contact with if an arrest is not made for DOJ tracking purposes to make sure there's no "racial profiling"

Yes, I believe the situation may have had a better way to handle it. But the guy was an asshole from minute 1. HE dictated how that stop went. Nobody knows his prior history. He may be an asshole that purposely walks around trying to bait officers into "violating their rights". They do exist.
 
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Findthetone1 said:
Not true.
A. I've read in a couple of different places he committed a pedestrian violation. Whether it's CYA or not, I don't know, wasn't there, but regardless, even taking the cane out of the picture, he could have still been issued a citation for the violation therefore ID is necessary.
B. There are departments that have or had to work under a DOJ agreement and under that agreement, information must be collected for every person an officer has contact with if an arrest is not made for DOJ tracking purposes to make sure there's no "racial profiling"

Yes, I believe the situation may have had a better way to handle it. But the guy was an asshole from minute 1. HE dictated how that stop went. Nobody knows his prior history. He may be an asshole that purposely walks around trying to bait officers into "violating their rights". They do exist.
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A pedestrian violation is likely a secondary offense. Yeah, they can ID him for it, but it’s a thin line. He was told he was stopped for what looks like a gun/weapon. Once he showed that it wasn’t, probable cause was just removed. Now they go on to secondary offenses? Getting the ID now allows them to check for warrants, previous arrests, etc. None of which was why he was originally stopped. He wasn’t breaking any laws. I don’t believe Fl is a stop and ID state.

I’m a law abiding citizen and totally support the police, but I don’t want my name run through any of their systems at all… if I commit a crime, then yeah, too bad on me, if I’m having my constitutional rights violated for no crime, than nope, you aren’t getting my ID. We all know the information is tracked and will likely be used against you if needed. One of the best things to do is invoke the 5th amendment and not answer any questions once they detain you. I am under no obligation to assist an officer in their investigation… of course police use the excuse that you are a witness to a crime to get your name or ID. Again, I’m pro-cop, but not if my rights are being violated.

I agree that there are assholes who want to get confrontational and bait an officer to violate their rights, those people are jerks… but police should be properly trained and know the law to not get baited.
 
Krull said:
Anyone know what happened to controlled_voltage??? Last I heard he went insane and moved to Bangkok, changed his name to Bangcock Betty or some shit and posts under the moniker stripped anus 🤪
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Yup, everyone goes around using alter egos and trying to get one over on you. It's all a big conspiracy. Trust no one. Wear the foil, wear the foil!
 
psychodave said:
I agree that there are assholes who want to get confrontational and bait an officer to violate their rights, those people are jerks… but police should be properly trained and know the law to not get baited.
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Totally, they need to be in control of their ego. No matter if someone is bating them or not, they ultimately make the choice to violate someones rights or not.

I'm neutral with the police, not anti, nor a supporter. They have never been directly helpful to me, but I know they serve a necessary function in society.
 
psychodave said:
A pedestrian violation is likely a secondary offense. Yeah, they can ID him for it, but it’s a thin line. He was told he was stopped for what looks like a gun/weapon. Once he showed that it wasn’t, probable cause was just removed. Now they go on to secondary offenses? Getting the ID now allows them to check for warrants, previous arrests, etc. None of which was why he was originally stopped. He wasn’t breaking any laws. I don’t believe Fl is a stop and ID state.

I’m a law abiding citizen and totally support the police, but I don’t want my name run through any of their systems at all… if I commit a crime, then yeah, too bad on me, if I’m having my constitutional rights violated for no crime, than nope, you aren’t getting my ID. We all know the information is tracked and will likely be used against you if needed. One of the best things to do is invoke the 5th amendment and not answer any questions once they detain you. I am under no obligation to assist an officer in their investigation… of course police use the excuse that you are a witness to a crime to get your name or ID. Again, I’m pro-cop, but not if my rights are being violated.

I agree that there are assholes who want to get confrontational and bait an officer to violate their rights, those people are jerks… but police should be properly trained and know the law to not get baited.
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It depends on the state but Pedestrian Violations are indeed primary offenses in some. I'm sure that's changing because we live in a nation of fucking cry babies and the offenders are the coddled ones. Shit, murder will probably be a secondary offense soon. At least in Kommiefornia. :LOL:
As for the 5th, that's always up to the person and if you feel that is what you need to do, no one can stop you. However, if you do end up getting hemmed up, it's likely an additional charge.
And getting your info as a witness to a crime is not some nefarious act. Unless that person is already involved in criminal activity. Believe or not, good witness testimony is important for solving crimes.
 
CrazyNutz said:
Totally, they need to be in control of their ego. No matter if someone is bating them or not, they ultimately make the choice to violate someones rights or not.

I'm neutral with the police, not anti, nor a supporter. They have never been directly helpful to me, but I know they serve a necessary function in society.
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You sure sound anti to me Nancy Boy.
 
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