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The big business lobby that works 24/7 to weaken OSHA laws would absolutely agree with you!
Dan Gleesak
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I’m glad they are there though. I’m a big workplace safety guy.The big business lobby that works 24/7 to weaken OSHA laws would absolutely agree with you!
I used to do landscaping at a GE facility and had to strap in to a harness to weed whack the top of a retaining wall. I accidentally sprayed it with weed killer after a few weeks…
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Not to get all morbid and shit but did ya hear about the forging company
a while back getting into big OSHA trouble cause a worker 'slipped' and fell
head over heels into a vat of molten ore?
Poof. Gone.
rsm
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oligarchs, ruling parasites and their media propaganda minions are above the law.
the law only applies to us serfs.
the law only applies to us serfs.
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Floyd Eye
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Hate Baldwin with a passion. Still find it ridiculous to try to charge him for using what he thought was a prop gun.
311boogieman
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I'm reposting my response from the other similar thread:
[QUOTE="311splawndude, post: 3065323, member: 9869"
I'm not necessarily an Alec Baldwin fan and I don't know the facts but what I thought I had heard was:
1. At least 2 people quit/walked off the set due to gun safety concerns (or general safety).
2. Supposedly in the night(s) leading up to this some people were on the set randomly firing guns.
3. This set had a history of gun safety issues.
4. There is a person on this set who has one responsibility and that was gun safety.
5. The handler who handed Alec the gun should have checked it.
6. Alec should have checked it. Period.
7. Alec said in that interview that he did not pull the trigger. LOL. BS.
As a carrying citizen with a CC there is just no excuse.
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[QUOTE="311splawndude, post: 3065323, member: 9869"
I'm not necessarily an Alec Baldwin fan and I don't know the facts but what I thought I had heard was:
1. At least 2 people quit/walked off the set due to gun safety concerns (or general safety).
2. Supposedly in the night(s) leading up to this some people were on the set randomly firing guns.
3. This set had a history of gun safety issues.
4. There is a person on this set who has one responsibility and that was gun safety.
5. The handler who handed Alec the gun should have checked it.
6. Alec should have checked it. Period.
7. Alec said in that interview that he did not pull the trigger. LOL. BS.
As a carrying citizen with a CC there is just no excuse.
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Disagree on this one.
Alec's role on set is to take the prop and use it as the script/director instructs.
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Dan Gleesak
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Did he think it was a prop gun? Or just loaded with blanks?
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That's the point. It's not for him to care about.
Did you see the movie Heat? During that famous bank heist scene you had dozens of
actors firing dozens of weapons at each other for literally minutes on end.
Was each actor responsible to double check the specifics about the props they were given
by the prop master?
If an actor is going to push an extra off a roof should they have to check that the catch bag
below has been inflated properly?
It's an absurd example but see what I mean?
Dan Gleesak
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I reckon a trained stunt person would be the one falling off the roof, and I’d also bet he/she would check the matt they are falling in to first.
I don’t believe for a second that Alec has not been trained, nor doesn’t know how to check a gun to see if it’s loaded
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Agreed. But still think it shouldn't be held up as a salient point.
On a set he's an actor.
Not a second layer of safety inspection.
Dan Gleesak
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I guess I just have trouble separating it from my over all feeling that if real live guns are going to be used for something as frivolous as a movie, there should be a big asterisk next to it.
It’s a tool designed for one and only one purpose and anyone that is allowed to handle one should be implicitly intimate with how to handle one.
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Again, totally get it.
I just want the focus to be all on the folks who are suppose to make it 100% safe for the actors.
If Alec takes any blame for not double checking the gun then it's going to make movie making
really weird moving forward.
311boogieman
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I'm not trying to defend or point guilt at Alec necessarily.
I'm trying to look at it factually.
I get the fact that he is just an actor.
I also get the fact that this appears to be an unsafe work environment (movie set).
It was also my understanding that this was a real gun but with blanks (supposed to anyway)
Alec Baldwin was also the Producer on the set of this movie.
In my world (life) anyone who picks up a gun should check it first.
That includes actors, because by not checking it, you are breaking one of the most important gun safety rules. So you are breaking habit.
The circumstances leading up to this event weigh in heavily. And if you are a movie producer, wouldn't you also be responsible for safety on the set?
I'm trying to look at it factually.
I get the fact that he is just an actor.
I also get the fact that this appears to be an unsafe work environment (movie set).
It was also my understanding that this was a real gun but with blanks (supposed to anyway)
Alec Baldwin was also the Producer on the set of this movie.
In my world (life) anyone who picks up a gun should check it first.
That includes actors, because by not checking it, you are breaking one of the most important gun safety rules. So you are breaking habit.
The circumstances leading up to this event weigh in heavily. And if you are a movie producer, wouldn't you also be responsible for safety on the set?
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Dan Gleesak
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It’s definitely a big grey area to me whether he should be held legally accountable or not. And honestly I don’t exactly care at the end of the day.
Would it be different if it was just a group of friends and someone was shot and killed because his buddy said the gun was totally safe? Are there any instances outside of Hollywood where it’s acceptable for people to just be handed weaponry? I think that’s my hang up on the whole situation.
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I wasn't aware he was also a producer. As soon as a single complaint was made over safety
protocols he should have shut down production and gotten to the bottom of it.
I'm a gun owner. I understand the safety issue with guns.
I just see it a bit different with it being Hollywood.
Guns, grenades, rocket launchers, light sabers, etc. where is the line drawn with actor responsibility?
311boogieman
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In a movie, you are acting out the killing of someone (in this case).
There were real guns and real ammo on this set list. Period.
There were people that actually quit working on this set due to gun safety.
So as the Producer of the movie and the one that actually pulled the trigger - I'm going with guilty.
I like Alec Baldwin as an actor, but not so much as an actual person.
Can you imagine the gun safety issues in a movie like the John Wick series
One of my favs.
There were real guns and real ammo on this set list. Period.
There were people that actually quit working on this set due to gun safety.
So as the Producer of the movie and the one that actually pulled the trigger - I'm going with guilty.
I like Alec Baldwin as an actor, but not so much as an actual person.
Can you imagine the gun safety issues in a movie like the John Wick series
One of my favs.
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Ever tried keeping track of every single Wick kill?
JW1 is somewhere around 56.
JW2 - I gave up during the underground crypt scene.
Didn't even attempt JW3.