What am i doing wrong? Stereo setup with two amps

[romanianreaper]

Ok, I had my stereo setup working outstanding with ping pong, ethereal sounds, etc, and somehow I jacked it up, lol.

I had my stereo setup for two 5150-III amps and my Boss EVH SDE-3000. I had one setup like the BOSS manual describes. Basically the guitar input, effects send and return, go into one amp and the only thing from the other amp is one cable out of the effects loop.

Today I got an Orange Super Crush 100 (which sounds great btw). I thought, I'll just plug everything from the 5150-III into the Orange and that will be that. Well now I barely have a stereo sound and the 5150-III (the amp just using the effects loop return only and nothing else plugged in) is super loud. I'm using thr Orange as the main amp.

I'm not sure if there is a problem between a tube amp with a certain type of effects loop and solid state amp with a different type of loop. Could that be the case? Anyway. Any suggests would be great.

 

[cardinal]

They might be out of phase? You could try reversing the leads on one end of the cable going into the second amp. Or reversing the wiring on the second cab.

This can happen with any two amps that are different or even two of the same amps if they are in different channels or using different numbers of gain stages.

 

[romanianreaper]

They might be out of phase? You could try reversing the leads on one end of the cable going into the second amp. Or reversing the wiring on the second cab.

This can happen with any two amps that are different or even two of the same amps if they are in different channels or using different numbers of gain stages.

Would being out of phase cause the lack of a stereo separation? It sounds "good", just not getting that full, lush sound I was hearing whrn it was two 5150-IIIs.

 

[cardinal]

It would cancel out some of what you'd otherwise hear.

 

[VonBonfire]

Forget the effects loop. Go straight into both amps off your effects pedals using a stereo splitter cable.

 

[romanianreaper]

Forget the effects loop. Go straight into both amps off your effects pedals using a stereo splitter cable.

The only problem is distorted delays from the amps.

 

[VonBonfire]

The only problem is distorted delays from the amps.

I still suspect the FX loop unless you are having power supply problems with your boxes. I have run a stereo rig before there was just no FX loop on the amps. Is the last pedal in your chain true dual outs or do you need a stereo splitter cable? Do you have a splitter? It's worth a try if only to check it off your list.

 

[311boogieman]

If the only change is the addition of the solid state Orange Crush then there you go. Remove it from stereo and set it up in the middle - dry. That could be crushing dare I say.

 

[Braciola]

This is a must have when using two different amps with stereo effects.
I have one and it's indispensable.

https://www.lehle.com/en/lehle-p-split-iii


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[JackBootedThug]

same thing happened to me. I had to fire up amp #2 before my effects would work.

 

[tpruitt]

I have the same pedal and to me it sounds like your settings in the pedal are off.did you try changing the input volume the pedal sees? +4/-10

 

[GOHOINC]

I used to run a stereo rig with 2 bogner xtc heads. I got a jj-100 and swapped it in and all was fine and then eventually a butterslax arrived and that's when my issue started. Running same eventide pedal in loops of both heads caused huge volume out of the slax because it didn't have a master volume or rather a post loop volume, but the jj does. I installed a jhs lbab after the eventide into the loop return. This enabled me to balance the output volume from the amps. Not sure if that is your specific issue, but the volume disparity you describe sure sounds like it...

 

[romanianreaper]

I have the same pedal and to me it sounds like your settings in the pedal are off.did you try changing the input volume the pedal sees? +4/-10

I dabbled with that but might need to revisit

 

[JackBootedThug]

when it works it's amazing....but when stuff happens it's a PITA to fix and figure out....

 

[GreatRedDragon]

So the thing about 5150s is the master is pre-loop, so you can control all your slaves with one head. This means the power amp is always cranked. If the MV in the Orange head is post-loop that means your 5150 is blasting on 10.

Its also entirely possible that, given the Orange is a SS amp, the two are much more mismatched than you might think.

Since you're using the SDE-3000D to split, are you set to analog dry through? Have you adjusted the output levels of both delays? Have you set the input level? Have you tried putting one delay out if phase?

 

[alund]

This is a must have when using two different amps with stereo effects.
I have one and it's indispensable.

https://www.lehle.com/en/lehle-p-split-iii


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This^. Stopped my blended amp issues. If you use 3 amps the ABY will need a p-split as well.

 

[glpg80]

The orange probably expects line level and you’re giving it instrument level.

 

[GOHOINC]

Looking at pictures of the controls of both amps, The Crush has a master (i assume it is post loop), the EVH has independent channel volumes and no "master"or return level/ post loop volume control. So you are controlling the overall output of the Orange with the master but the channel volumes are what is feeding the effects send, then you are going straight into the loop return of the EVH which gives you no ability to control its volume because it has no post loop master volume control, so its seeing all the output of whatever the channel volume is set at on the orange's active channel. If you throw a volume box like the JHS lbab after your delay, into the return of the evh loop you should be able to balance volume between the two amps...

 

[romanianreaper]

So the thing about 5150s is the master is pre-loop, so you can control all your slaves with one head. This means the power amp is always cranked. If the MV in the Orange head is post-loop that means your 5150 is blasting on 10.

Its also entirely possible that, given the Orange is a SS amp, the two are much more mismatched than you might think.

Since you're using the SDE-3000D to split, are you set to analog dry through? Have you adjusted the output levels of both delays? Have you set the input level? Have you tried putting one delay out if phase?

See that is exactly what I thought. It was definitely loud for the volume being at zero, lol.

I need to mess with all if the things you mentioned above. I wanted to use the stereo setup with one 5150-III and an Orange, but I may stick to the two 5150-III heads or do Orange dry and the two heads.

 

[romanianreaper]

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Looking at pictures of the controls of both amps, The Crush has a master (i assume it is post loop), the EVH has independent channel volumes and no "master"or return level/ post loop volume control. So you are controlling the overall output of the Orange with the master but the channel volumes are what is feeding the effects send, then you are going straight into the loop return of the EVH which gives you no ability to control its volume because it has no post loop master volume control, so its seeing all the output of whatever the channel volume is set at on the orange's active channel. If you throw a volume box like the JHS lbab after your delay, into the return of the evh loop you should be able to balance volume between the two amps...

Thanks man! What is this the ibab?