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Aynirar27 said:
I agree that women are 50% of the equation
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women control access to sex.

that means they have more than 50% of the equation in terms of responsibility; and why the majority of contraceptives are created for women.
 
rsm said:
women control access to sex.

that means they have more than 50% of the equation in terms of responsibility; and why the majority of contraceptives are created for women.
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Eh I dunno about that. I think most contraceptives are made for women because they are mostly unpleasant and evasive and men largely control the field.
Also a staggering amount of pregnancies are a result of rape.
 
Floyd Eye said:
That is no doubt true. But then you are currently playing right into their hands. The goal isn't necessarily to grow the lower class. The goal is to distract and neuter all classes except the top. Abortion, Guns, excessive taxation, these are all either non-issues or issues the majority of people actually just about agree on in reality, but then along comes dickbag useful idiots like Chris Murphy and Lindsey Graham to proseletyze to the dumbasses about how horrible it is or isn't. The media does the bidding of the super rich power whores who are actually running this country and the world really. Congress, or should I say the vast majority of elected officials, are just lapping up the crumbs that fall off their table and giving them blowjobs while they eat in the hopes of someday becoming one of them.

There is only one solution and that is for "We the people" to quit fighting each other and fight them. Everything they do is designed to keep that from happening. Why do you think they want to disarm us ? And the ones who claim to support 2A don't really, they just want to keep the appearance of supporting it while simultaneously giving us the means to fight and kill each other slowly and gradually. It's like the frog in the boiling water analogy. And they will be successful at it because people are fucking stupid. Instead what is going to eventually happen is the people who are considered the extremists, on both sides, the conspiracy theorists, gun nuts, racists, homophobes, trans activists, etc., the outliers, are eventually going to blow and it will be an all out free for all.

If you think the ardent "Pro lifers" are actually concerned about all those poor little dead babies you're out of your fucking mind. Just like all the people who favor open borders and multi culturism don't actually give a fuck about the plight of all those poor Spanish speaking brown people. You'll notice that none of them are taking "refugees" into their own homes. They don't even want them in their neighborhoods. Abbott and DeSantis proved that when they started sending all those people to sanctuary cities and especially Martha's Vineyard. Nancy fucking Pelosi has a wall around her house even though she claims walls don't work.


Anyway, it won't be 2025, but it will come. Meanwhile you're better off forgetting about what CNN says or who successfully steals the election and just stacking ammo. You're gonna need it and if you don't your kids certainly will.
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I agree that the anti abortion movement is not about “killing babies”. But I don’t think the push back against drag is about the children either.
But I will say my town has accepted a good number of refugees, especially considering our population size. Most are staying in a hotel and there are regular food and clothing drives for people to donate to them instead of solely relying on the government. I do believe that there arw a lot of “supporters” whop are only in it because solidarity looks good on their Facebook profile, but that shouldn’t take away from the people who are actually putting in the work to assimilate these people.
 
Aynirar27 said:
Eh I dunno about that. I think most contraceptives are made for women because they are mostly unpleasant and evasive and men largely control the field.
Also a staggering amount of pregnancies are a result of rape.
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Not exactly; in the USA pregnancies due to rape are 5% or less of total pregnancies. But you often go to the outliers to make your points :yes: Here's an outlier: nearly 10% of pregnancies are due to sperm jacking (where women attempt to inseminate themselves from sperm left behind by an unsuspecting guy, e.g., in a used condom, or by telling the guy they are on birth control when they're not, etc.

so for perspective: 95%+ of women get pregnant by someone they allow to hit it raw. women control access to sex 95%+ of the time; women get pregnant, men don't; so the primary responsibility for pregnancy falls to the woman. life isn't fair.

now lets go to the number of men raising children they think are their biological children, but they aren't. that's why there's a push for mandatory paternity tests. For the US, some studies put it as high as 30% of men are raising kids they think are their biological children, but aren't.
 
rsm said:
Not exactly; in the USA pregnancies due to rape are 5% or less of total pregnancies. But you often go to the outliers to make your points :yes: Here's an outlier: nearly 10% of pregnancies are due to sperm jacking (where women attempt to inseminate themselves from sperm left behind by an unsuspecting guy, e.g., in a used condom, or by telling the guy they are on birth control when they're not, etc.

so for perspective: 95%+ of women get pregnant by someone they allow to hit it raw. women control access to sex 95%+ of the time; women get pregnant, men don't; so the primary responsibility for pregnancy falls to the woman. life isn't fair.

now lets go to the number of men raising children they think are their biological children, but they aren't. that's why there's a push for mandatory paternity tests. For the US, some studies put it as high as 30% of men are raising kids they think are their biological children, but aren't.
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I would say 5% of millions of pregnancies each year is a staggering number to be a result of rape, and that’s on the extreme low end of the spectrum. That’s horrible. You (and others) use percentages to twist numbers around to make points that are otherwise blatantly incorrect.

There is no math to show that women are more responsible for pregnancy than men, it’s just your ideology and view of women. It takes 2 to tango.
 
Aynirar27 said:
I would say 5% of millions of pregnancies each year is a staggering number to be a result of rape, and that’s on the extreme low end of the spectrum. That’s horrible. You (and others) use percentages to twist numbers around to make points that are otherwise blatantly incorrect.

There is no math to show that women are more responsible for pregnancy than men, it’s just your ideology and view of women. It takes 2 to tango.
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I would say 95%+ of millions of pregnancies each year is an even more staggering number to be a result of women allowing a guy to hit it raw and ejaculate inside her.

If you're engaging in an activity that has potential serious consequences / outcomes for you vs another person; who has most of the responsibility to take steps to avoid unwanted outcomes? It has nothing to do with math; it has everything to do with common sense.

Before birth control, women were more careful and selective about sex; now we have generations of women, many from fatherless households, with many forms of birth control, and options to murder their unborn, etc., so they've become less careful, less selective; leading to the rise in numbers of single mothers (I think in 2023, the USA black community, 72% of children are being born to single mothers; and hispanic and white aren't far behind) so the social stigma and financial challenges of being a single mother have lessened.

Again women control access to sex 95%+ of the time. The women have the risk of getting pregnant, not the man; so they have greater responsibility to ensure the outcome of intercourse is what they want. This has been true for millennia, only birth control and murder of unborn have given women options, and still the number of children born to single mothers is the majority of births in the USA.

Whatever the outcome, the women will have the primary responsibility to deal with it, not the man. Now, the law can be used to coerce a man to take responsibility, however paternity needs to be proven, and if the man has no resources not much can be done against him.

A common dual mating strategy is to cheat with the man she finds most attractive, and have the man with resources take care of her, and raise the other man's child without knowing it's not his biological child, which is roughly 10% of pregnancies, because paternity tests are not required/mandatory. This includes married couples. It's also why many women are opposed to mandatory paternity tests, because it would end this dual mating strategy option.

There are plenty of high profile stories of men who discover, much later in life after raising kids to adulthood, that those kids are not their biological offspring. I suspect the number is much higher than 10%, it's just most men don't believe the woman they love is capable of it, or it never crosses their mind, or they know it will create strife in the relationship, etc. Trust but verify.

 
I would be surprised if 5% of pregnancies are from rape, at least the sort of violent attack that we used to think of as rape, not the “regrets and decided it was rape” the day after kind.
 
acceptance said:
I would be surprised if 5% of pregnancies are from rape, at least the sort of violent attack that we used to think of as rape, not the “regrets and decided it was rape” the day after kind.
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Not all rape is violent. Not to mention not all rape is reported, so again, pulling a stat out of the air is pointless.

But back to the original actual point, anyone being forced to go through a pregnancy that was a result of rape, no matter how you choose to skew the data, is absolute bullshit.
 
rsm said:
I would say 95%+ of millions of pregnancies each year is an even more staggering number to be a result of women allowing a guy to hit it raw and ejaculate inside her.

If you're engaging in an activity that has potential serious consequences / outcomes for you vs another person; who has most of the responsibility to take steps to avoid unwanted outcomes? It has nothing to do with math; it has everything to do with common sense.

Before birth control, women were more careful and selective about sex; now we have generations of women, many from fatherless households, with many forms of birth control, and options to murder their unborn, etc., so they've become less careful, less selective; leading to the rise in numbers of single mothers (I think in 2023, the USA black community, 72% of children are being born to single mothers; and hispanic and white aren't far behind) so the social stigma and financial challenges of being a single mother have lessened.

Again women control access to sex 95%+ of the time. The women have the risk of getting pregnant, not the man; so they have greater responsibility to ensure the outcome of intercourse is what they want. This has been true for millennia, only birth control and murder of unborn have given women options, and still the number of children born to single mothers is the majority of births in the USA.

Whatever the outcome, the women will have the primary responsibility to deal with it, not the man. Now, the law can be used to coerce a man to take responsibility, however paternity needs to be proven, and if the man has no resources not much can be done against him.

A common dual mating strategy is to cheat with the man she finds most attractive, and have the man with resources take care of her, and raise the other man's child without knowing it's not his biological child, which is roughly 10% of pregnancies, because paternity tests are not required/mandatory. This includes married couples. It's also why many women are opposed to mandatory paternity tests, because it would end this dual mating strategy option.

There are plenty of high profile stories of men who discover, much later in life after raising kids to adulthood, that those kids are not their biological offspring. I suspect the number is much higher than 10%, it's just most men don't believe the woman they love is capable of it, or it never crosses their mind, or they know it will create strife in the relationship, etc. Trust but verify.

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Yes women have a greater responsibility once they are pregnant, but they play an equal role in physically getting pregnant
 
Aynirar27 said:
Yes women have a greater responsibility once they are pregnant, but they play an equal role in physically getting pregnant
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You're still missing my point: women get pregnant; therefore, they have a greater responsibility for: 1) who they allow inside them; 2) what birth control they use; 3) what terms and conditions they apply to the man before they allow him inside; 4) control of the outcome of sexual intercourse
 
acceptance said:
I’d like to see the methodology.
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it's in there; as always follow the money, and bias. there are similar studies, though some make their politics clear, e.g., focused on states that limit abortions.

The study I linked includes forced (physically forced) and coerced/manipulation though I didn't dig deeper to see if the break out these categories.

A quick pass through most ( searched on us percentage of pregnancies due to rape 2023 or something close); most had a similar range off about 6M which is roughly 5% (1 in 20) of total pregnancies.
 
rsm said:
You're still missing my point: women get pregnant; therefore, they have a greater responsibility for: 1) who they allow inside them; 2) what birth control they use; 3) what terms and conditions they apply to the man before they allow him inside; 4) control of the outcome of sexual intercourse
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I don’t see it that way. The man plays every bit the role in getting someone pregnant as the women does.
Your reasoning falls further flat once women are not allowed to decide what to do with their pregnancy. It becomes less their “responsibility” and more their “cross to bear”
 
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