Redefining Language

[Bad Brain]

If there are scientifically blurred lines between male and female, is something like they/them which accurately refers to a person of unknown gender, actually appropriate and necessary?

@NowYou'rePlayingWithPower is putting forth a strong scientific argument to support this idea.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Not exactly. Our resident scientists argue Imane is a mutant. Not an x-man mutant mind you (No special powers), but nonetheless still shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's or men's sports.

An interesting quick history of intersex olympians

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intersex_Olympians

 

[Dan Gleesak]

@NowYou'rePlayingWithPower is putting forth a strong scientific argument to support this idea.

That woke motherfucker

 

[Floyd Eye]

Not exactly. Our resident scientists argue Imane is a mutant. Not an x-man mutant mind you (No special powers), but nonetheless still shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's or men's sports.

How do they know. It hasn't validated ANY of the opinions about what sex organs or chromosomes it has, which could have been easily done.

 

[Floyd Eye]

And many sport/league authority rules state trans women can compete in men's sports. No one is talking about validating rules. The IOC already clarified it's rules. That is not at question. What is at question is whether it's fair or not.

 

[Bad Brain]

How do they know. It hasn't validated ANY of the opinions about what sex organs or chromosomes it has, which could have been easily done.

None of us know for sure, but it is strongly implied based on the facts we do know, which I believe includes chromosomal test results.

 

[Floyd Eye]

None of us know for sure, but it is strongly implied based on the facts we do know, which I thought included the chromosomal test results.

Which the results of that test are in question too are they not ?

 

[Monkey Man]

Which the results of that test are in question too are they not ?

I don't think they've ever been disputed.

I mean, genetically there's no in-between so the result would have either been M or F.

 

[Bad Brain]

Which the results of that test are in question too are they not ?

I’m not sure that so much as whether it is deemed a valid test.

 

[Bad Brain]

I don't think they've ever been disputed.

I mean, genetically there's no in-between so the result would have either been M or F.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I’m not sure that so much as whether it is deemed a valid test.

So there has been evidence of the test presented and people, including here on this forum, haven’t suggested it may have been the evil Russians pissed off because their boxer lost a bout to the person/ mutant/ droid in question ?


Because if that’s the case and we know it has XY chromosomes then clearly it’s a man and clearly the IOC rules are not fair. Let’s recap. XY chromosomes, check. Much stronger and faster than every other professional female boxer in its weight class, check. Not rocket science is it.

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

Clearly Gilbert and Sunderland did not read "neuroscience 2nd edition"

Clearly you didn't read it.
Or anything pertaining to the subject for that matter.
Mutant.
Just because you're too immature and knowledgeable (obviously) to see that as anything other than a slight, doesn't mean that it's incorrect.
Your continued babbling on about it and bringing me up as if you've somehow "gotcha'd" me in the style of Dan shows a pretty weak constitution and easily bruised ego. Pretty pathetic tactic. Like a child pulling on their mother's shirt for attention.
Mutant.
Also, mutant.
Anyways, have fun arguing with yourself.

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

I don't think they've ever been disputed.

I mean, genetically there's no in-between so the result would have either been M or F.

If you believe that the lack of a Y chromosome automatically means female.

 

[Laputan Machine]

Not exactly. Our resident scientists argue Imane is a mutant. Not an x-man mutant mind you (No special powers), but nonetheless still shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's or men's sports.

I think a scientific test to settle this is for you to get in the ring with it and see how you fair. Analraw can be your Mickey.

 

[Bad Brain]

Clearly you didn't read it.

I didn't read it. I'm not a biologist or neuroscientist and I don't claim to be, so why would I? I suspected it wasn't applicable anyways as madhatter pointed out. I also acknowledge that I mistook your use of mutant as a slight instead of in the genetic or biological sense. I still doubt that is the proper way to classify biological sex, and other texts (That I can link to) seem to contradict this. But if you could provide a specific authoritative reference instead of just making allusions to whole disciplines of science and non-applicable texts that would go a long way. I don't understand why you are taking being challenged so personally ? ... that sounds like a "weak constitution and easily bruised ego" to me (But I'm not a psychologist either)

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

I didn't read it. I'm not a biologist or neuroscientist and I don't claim to be, so why would I? I suspected it wasn't applicable anyways as madhatter pointed out. I also acknowledge that I mistook your use of mutant as a slight instead of in the genetic or biological sense. I still doubt that is the proper way to classify biological sex, and other texts (That I can link to) seem to contradict this. But if you could provide a specific authoritative reference instead of just making allusions to whole disciplines of science and non-applicable texts that would go a long way. I don't understand why you are taking being challenged so personally ?

You aren't challenging me, that's where you're wrong. The summary described in the book I referenced is an easy read from an accredited source, hence why I referenced it.

 

[Bad Brain]

The summary described in the book I referenced is an easy read from an accredited source, hence why I referenced it.

Why can't you summarize it yourself or post a picture? You're always calling out Dan for making vague references to support his claims. And you didn't give an author when asked. Look, you might be a pHD for all I know but you're not presenting yourself as having much if any mastery of the subject matter.

 

[Bad Brain]

You aren't challenging me, that's where you're wrong.

Tell me, on what objective basis would you exclude "mutants" from participating in the Olympics? Only those with a noticeable phenotypic effect? Only those with abnormalities involving sex characteristics? What about those that took the Covid vax?

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

Why can't you summarize it yourself or post a picture? You're always calling out Dan for making vague references to support his claims. And you didn't give an author when asked. Look, you might be a pHD for all I know but you're not presenting yourself as having much if any mastery of the subject matter.

I'm really not concerned with whether or not you think I have an understanding of the topic. I have made no vague references and posted an authoritative source as you asked with several authors. It would have taken you less time to read it than playing ignorant games like you are. So, at this point you're just either acting dumb or are. I'm guessing the latter since you seem to think you're knowledgeable enough to determine that I'm not. Anyways, here's the pic you asked for. Enjoy.

 

[Thumbpicker]

The Olympic rules are very clear. If it says female on their birth certificate and passport, then they compete as a woman. That is what they use to distinguish between male and female.
So yea dude, what it says on her birth certificate is the epitome of validation for her to compete in these Olympics as a female

Passports, nationalities and even the borders of countries are political - that's why you have political maps of the world as opposed to physical maps of the world. Having your preferred "gender" on a passport doesn't magically make you one sex or the other physically. Using gender on passports to define one's sex is a political decision - not a scientific one.