70 Mach 1
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No worries.
Kamala will put him in his place.
Kamala will put him in his place.
Bad Brain
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He said clearly what he wants numerous times and would have gotten it spring of 2022 if not for UK/US telling Zelensky to scrap the peace deal and promising military backing. Do you think Ukraine would’ve gone to war if not for Western support? Russia doesn’t want NATO on its borders just like the US would not accept Mexico forming a military alliance with China. It’s that simple. There’s no conquest of Eastern Europe etc. Although at this point he’s probably going to take most of Ukraine which he wouldn’t have if they had just taken the deal in 2022.
japetus
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So, what is the solution to the issue?
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VonBonfire
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Join ROCOR.
japetus
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I truly hope that God does bless you.
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VonBonfire
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And you as well my friend!
Bad Brain
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How is that different, other than in degree perhaps? Do you know how many civilians died in Iraq?! Or trillions wasted in Afghanistan? The US has between 800-1000 military bases around the world. Any country exercising sovereignty and seeking growth is an enemy. The US is an empire, the world hegemon, or at least used to be. I think what we’re seeing now is the emergence of the multipolar world order. The US doesn’t like it.
Thumbpicker
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So you think Putin should have a free hand if a country isn't on equal terms militarily. This is why NATO exists basically although obviously Ukraine isn't a member - however still he shouldn't have a free hand.
Bad Brain
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I don’t think he would have invaded if not for the US backed coup in 2014 and the incessant drive to get Ukraine into NATO. So yeah, I’m not saying it’s right, but he’s doing exactly what the US would do if Mexico decided to team up with China.
Thumbpicker
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It's different because those countries were becoming a threat and were governed by mad Islamic dictatorships and autocrats that were unpredictable and dangerous. You already said Ukraine wasn't on the same terms as Russia so therefore it's hard to argue it was a threat.
I think you need to look at why Putin really wanted to invade Eastern Ukraine. It's a bit like Germany wanting to annex Austria. It was fucking rabid nationalism.
Bad Brain
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Thumbpicker
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I know all about the sordid history of US foreign policy mate. Motives are never pure. Still my comment stands.
rsm
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Victoria "the mad cow" Nuland and US orchestrated a coup of a pro-Russian elected government; many ethnic Russians were killed.
The new pro-west government, began to make ethnic Russians second class citizens, and in Donbas and Luhansk wanted and voted to become independent from Ukraine; Ukraine responded by shelling civilians in both regions, forcing Donbas and Luhansk to turn to Russia for assistance.
Leaders of France and Germany admitted they had no interest in the Minsk accords, they used them to buy time for Ukraine to arm and train. US, EU, NATO provided arms and training to Ukraine, and planned for Ukraine to join NATO and the EU.
Russia offered several attempts at peace proposals for Ukraine prior to the start of the conflict; which were ignored / rejected by the US, EU.
The reason the Russian special military operation was weak at first was because Putin believed the US and Ukraine would negotiate for peace after seeing Russia was serious. And for a time, several peace proposals were considered until Johnson flew to Kiev to prevent Ukraine from pursuing peace.
At the start of the special military operation, Russia had no intention of holding any territory until the west rejected any peace negotiations. Russia increased it's military forces, and annexed Donbas and Luhansk. Then began a long defensive campaign with some offensive operations, to wear down the Ukraine military through attrition which is working. Ukraine is running out of manpower, and the west's weapons especially ammo, are virtually depleted.
If anyone thinks Russia could not have taken Ukraine in a matter of weeks if that was their goal, is clueless. First, Putin did not want to conquer Ukraine, he wanted to secure the border, prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, and to have Ukraine accept and proclaim neutrality. Second, Putin was also concerned a large, overwhelming attack would force NATO to overtly enter the conflict.
Unless kameltoe & wartz, or the eastern European chihuahua states instigate a NATO conflict by triggering article 5 (assuming the western Europe and other NATO countries come to their aid), or WW3, Russian victory is assured. 2-3 more oblasts to reunify with Russia to go...
Bad Brain
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I dunno, look at Iraq now verses then. Look at Libya now vs then. You think these countries are better off? Why was Ghaddafi killed? Do you know?
rsm
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Putin told the west, especially the US, what he wanted before the conflict began. Months before the conflict began, Russia outlined its' goals and attempted to negotiate with the West and was ignored or rejected outright. No attempt was made by any NATO country to negotiate with Russia until after the conflict went hot; and then it was ended by Boris Johnson's visit to Kiev.
rsm
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A few more new oblasts reunited with Russia to create a buffer zone between whatever is left of Ukraine and NATO.
rsm
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Gaddafi was killed for two reasons: 1) he was trying to unify Africa economically and creating a pan-African currency based on gold, African Dinar; it would have challenged the US Dollar and Euro; 2) Gaddafi wanted more of the profits of African assets to be used by the African countries to build their infrastructure, like he did in Libya; western countries and companies were paying little to these countries.
since his death we've seen several former French colonies have coups and throw the French out because of monetary policies that give the wealth of those countries to France. No accident that France was a key player with the US is taking down Gaddafi.
MadAsAHatter
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She'll word salad him until his brain implodes.
Bad Brain
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What do you think he wants? Do you think he’s playing “5d” chess or something?
