"Too Much Evidence" Of Genocide

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You can blame TBN level protestants for the blind adherence to Israel. I know from experience that seeing it for what it is is really tough when churches are preaching Israel=still chosen nation stuff to hundreds, thousands of US congregations.
 
“We, at this time, have not made an assessment that the Israelis are in violation of US law,” State Department spokesperson Vedant Patel told reporters.

He argued that Israel had made “some progress” to allow more aid into the besieged territory but the US “would like to see some more changes happen”.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...rt-for-israel-will-proceed?traffic_source=rss
 
Even the commie hypocrite Bernie Sanders speaks truth once in awhile..................at least he is publicly open about being a communist
 
acceptance said:
44 percent of the victims were children, with the biggest single category aged five to nine, followed by those aged 10-14, and then those aged up to and including four.
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Makes sense.

50+% of the population is children so it's to be expected given the human-shield M.O.

Tragic, but true.
 
Don't you guys think that if Hamas was inserting themselves in schools, hospitals and refugee camps, exposing everyone to death, that all the noncombatants would object? Or do you think the women and children are being held hostage? Or do you think they're all "In it together?"

Either way there is no evidence that this is actually what's going on. Israel just claims it. Again, the net effect is the same as if Israel was committing genocide and ethnic cleaning. You guys just excuse it because of what is Israel says.
 
There is evidence. Of course it isn't laid out by random dudes on Twitter videos so it may not meet your strict criteria for "Evidence". And 3/4 of "Palestinians" supported Hamas actions on Oct. 7, but then so did you.

You take Hamas at their word, but question Israel. That's fucked up dude.
 
Floyd Eye said:
There is evidence. Of course it isn't laid out by random dudes on Twitter videos so it may not meet your strict criteria for "Evidence". And 3/4 of "Palestinians" supported Hamas actions on Oct. 7, but then so did you.

You take Hamas at their word, but question Israel. That's fucked up dude.
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You mean like the rifles they displayed on the tables in the hospital? Or the underground complex built by the Israelis themselves and clearly abandoned? Go ahead, post the evidence. I don't take "Hamas word," whatever that is. No one disputes what is occurring. It's just that some people think there is justification, not according to evidence, but according to what they want to believe.
 
acceptance said:
Don't you guys think that if Hamas was inserting themselves in schools, hospitals and refugee camps, exposing everyone to death, that all the noncombatants would object?
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Would you tell bloodthirsty terrorists what to do? Even if individuals don't support their actions, who's gonna stand up to them?

As for the lying, what everyone should know by now is that the human-shield M.O. has been a mainstay of such groups for a long time. It cannot be disputed bro'.
 
Monkey Man said:
Would you tell bloodthirsty terrorists what to do? Even if individuals don't support their actions, who's gonna stand up to them?

As for the lying, what everyone should know by now is that the human-shield M.O. has been a mainstay of such groups for a long time. It cannot be disputed bro'.
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Everyone is saying that 3/4 or 90% of the Gazan population supports Hamas. Either they support them or they are effectively hostages. Unless you're arguing they have some kind of Stockholm syndrome...

I'm not denying that there are instances of the use of "human shields." But in this case I believe it is a false justification in order to execute a pre-planned strategy of ethnically cleansing the area, which can be substantiated with leaked Israeli internal documents.

As I keep saying everyone is giving Israel a pass because they believe their intent is good, regardless that the net effect would be no different than if they outright declared their goal to be to wipe out the Gazan population (which they have).

But let's allow that Israel is acting in good faith, and values internationally recognized human rights. ...How is it that the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian lives are worth less than the 695 innocent Israeli civilians lives? If Hamas is bad because they killed innocent people, then Israel is bad by the exact same standard, and even more so, because the number of innocent lives affected is multiples greater. Simply declaring that Hamas shouldn't have attacked the more powerful country doesn't address the moral considerations. And furthermore, if it's okay for Israel to kill innocent civilians in pursuing their objectives, then why is it not okay for Hamas to kill innocent civilians when doing the same? To be clear, I don't think it's okay for either side to kill innocent civilians.

Ultimately, if Hamas is using human shields, the standard for demonstrating or proving that they are doing so is high given Israeli's killing of civilians. It is biased to simply take Israel at their word. I have seen no such evidence to substantiate their claims thus far. As I alluded to earlier, all I have seen is Israeli propaganda and the staging of "evidence" such as the rifles alleged to be found in the hospital.
 
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You're failing to recognise the most-basic of distinctions mate, one I'm sure has been put forward in the thread many times:

Hamas targeted civilians on Oct 7th, as they've always done every time they fire rockets across the fence. That's incontrovertible evidence in action, not just hearsay. It's what terrorists do bro'.

Not gonna argue; you obviously have your POV and if it hasn't changed by now I doubt it will.

All-good brother. :thumbsup:
 
Monkey Man said:
You're failing to recognise the most-basic of distinctions mate, one I'm sure has been put forward in the thread many times:

Hamas targeted civilians on Oct 7th, as they've always done every time they fire rockets across the fence. That's incontrovertible evidence in action, not just hearsay. It's what terrorists do bro'.

Not gonna argue; you obviously have your POV and if it hasn't changed by now I doubt it will.

All-good brother. :thumbsup:
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No worries brother M. I'm don't feel this is an adversarial debate and I agree it's okay to see it differently. Of course I'd like to persuade you but everyone is entitled to their own POV.

Regarding your point, what I think you're missing is that I extend your rejection of the killing of civilians to the killing of Palestinian civilians. I don't make a distinction or excuse the killing of civilians in one case but not the other. I consistently reject the killing of civilians and don't believe the killing of civilians justifies the further killing of civilians. To reiterate, I agree that targeting or killing civilians is wrong, whether Hamas or Israel does it intentionally or not.
 
Agreed mate.

According to the rules of war 'though, terrorists who employ human shields automatically render their positions legitimate, legal targets.

Decent societies wouldn't dare intentionally endanger civilians (in-theory); wars are between armies after all.

These terrorist groups stoop to the previously-inconceivable level of intentionally endangering civilians in-battle, using them as pawns in a deadly game intended to both protect themselves and wage propaganda wars. It's morally-bankrupt, illegal and cowardly.
 
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