"Too Much Evidence" Of Genocide

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I agree that terrorism is a morally bankrupt strategy and that one should be able to defend oneself from an attacker, even if it means killing an innocent person being used as a human shield. But Israel needs to prove that they are not needlessly killing innocent civilians. They need to prove that they aren't using "Human shields" as a pretext for ethnically cleansing Palestine, because what they are doing would look no different if they were.
 
acceptance said:
But Israel needs to prove that they are not needlessly killing innocent civilians.
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Of course; that's always the obligation in such situations.

The same doesn't apply to terrorists 'though - they're not interested in proving that they're not endangering the lives of innocents / non-participants... 'cause they can't and they are.

As for accusations of genocide's been thrown around hither and thither, it seems to me that the word's meaning has been diluted through over-and-inappropriate use. If Israel wanted to commit genocide it'd be able to get the job done in a day.
 
VonBonfire said:
You can blame TBN level protestants for the blind adherence to Israel. I know from experience that seeing it for what it is is really tough when churches are preaching Israel=still chosen nation stuff to hundreds, thousands of US congregations.
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My mom is a devout Christian. I have tried to explain to her that according to what she believes, the Christian’s are the chosen people, rather than the Jews, but it has been ingrained in her to believe otherwise, so I drop it if it gets heated. I only brought it up because one of the Christian networks that she watches was on the tv, and in the middle of the preachers sermon, he gave the floor to a Jewish guy, and allowed him to have a mini begathon for Israel. Sure as hell when I checked the outgoing mail recently she had a letter which contained a check made out to that organization. That one got culled. Before you guys bite my head off, mom is 87 now, and dementia is creeping in. I have power of attorney over her finances, and have to watch things carefully. If she were of sound mind, I wouldn’t be happy about her doing it, but wouldn’t interfere. I just couldn’t make her understand when she was of sound mind that she may as well send money to Hari Krishna’s Muslim's. When the Bible talks about tithing, I’m pretty sure they mean to your religion rather than the one you don’t believe in or practice.
 
Monkey Man said:
As for accusations of genocide's been thrown around hither and thither, it seems to me that the word's meaning has been diluted through over-and-inappropriate use.
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I agree that the word has lost some of its meaning because it has been thrown around. It does however have a legal definition which is different than most people imagine, IE it doesn't necessarily entail the killing of millions or successfully eliminating an entire population. The relevant definition of the crime of genocide is contained in Article II of the Genocide Convention. You might be aware that South Africa brought a detailed and evidenced complaint to the ICJ, which that body deemed "Plausible" and the outcome of which is pending. To me it's clear that Israel is guilty.
 
In case anyone is interested, the "Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel)" is available here: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf

The subsequent 750 page memorial submission of Oct 28, 2024 is not publicly available, but as the OP states, the authors claimed "Too much evidence" of genocide, presumably having difficulty paring down the case into something more manageable. But at 750 pages and 4000 pages of exhibits and annexes, it is not clear they accomplished that.

The memorial cites statements made by Israeli politicians and military officials and argues that "Israel’s actions in Gaza, including the use of excessive force, blockade, and destruction of infrastructure, constitute a pattern of mass casualties and collective punishment, exceeding any proportional military response to Hamas’s attacks."
 
Per the 1948 Genocide Convention, the crime of genocide includes:
  1. A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
  2. A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
    • Killing members of the group
    • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
    • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
    • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
    • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
 
Israel’s war conduct in Gaza ‘consistent with the characteristics of genocide,’ UN Special Committee finds

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-war-conduct-gaza-consistent-224142496.html
 
ICC issues arrest warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant

The court said that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Netanyahu and Gallant "intentionally and knowingly deprived the civilian population in Gaza of objects indispensable to their survival, including food, water, and medicine and medical supplies, as well as fuel and electricity, from at least 8 October 2023 to 20 May 2024". (War crimes, crimes against humanity)

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...s-israels-benjamin-netanyahu-and-yoav-gallant
 
Now the ICC is a "Human shield." The conspicuous and continual use of phrases like "Human shields" and "Right to defend" and "Terrorist" and "Anti Semite" in response to specific charges and critiques gives away the game. To Israel, it's just a cynical PR battle.

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“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”​

― George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings
 

Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territory: ‘You Feel Like You Are Subhuman’: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza​


"This report documents Israel’s actions during its offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip from 7 October 2023. It examines the killing of civilians, damage to and destruction of civilian infrastructure, forcible displacement, the obstruction or denial of life-saving goods and humanitarian aid, and the restriction of power supplies. It analyses Israel’s intent through this pattern of conduct and statements by Israeli decision-makers. It concludes that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza."

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/MDE1586682024ENGLISH.pdf
 
Floyd Eye said:
There is evidence. Of course it isn't laid out by random dudes on Twitter videos so it may not meet your strict criteria for "Evidence". And 3/4 of "Palestinians" supported Hamas actions on Oct. 7, but then so did you.

You take Hamas at their word, but question Israel. That's fucked up dude.
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Well said, @Floyd Eye!
 
JohnnyGtar said:
View attachment 369356 Well said, @Floyd Eye!
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So where is the evidence? Israel has shown since the start of their premeditated genocide that they have no qualms about bombing schools, nurseries, hospitals and refugee camps. But Hamas keeps seeking these places out to "Hide"? ...You have to be an imbecile to believe that.
 
But a genius believes Hamas when they say they don’t build their tunnels and spider holes in hospitals and refugee camps ?

You’ve proven over and over your blatant anti semitism by repeatedly taking the word of Hamas as truth while calling everything Israel says bullshit.

There’s evidence all over dude. Even if I pointed you directly at it, it would make no difference.
 
Floyd Eye said:
But a genius believes Hamas when they say they don’t build their tunnels and spider holes in hospitals and refugee camps ?

You’ve proven over and over your blatant anti semitism by repeatedly taking the word of Hamas as truth while calling everything Israel says bullshit.

There’s evidence all over dude. Even if I pointed you directly at it, it would make no difference.
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Hamas has tunnels and bunkers running under all of Gaza. Apparently this system is potentially hundreds of miles, and deep. That's part of reason the storyline that they are hiding in schools and hospitals is such bullshit.

There is no evidence that they are using "Human shields." That's just a made up justification to indiscriminately bomb everything and everyone in Gaza.

But humor me Floyd, where is evidence "All over"? What "Word of Hamas" am I repeating?
 
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