"The Death of Real Music"

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I listened to the video and I agree with most of what the guy is saying. But I got a slightly different take... Yes, overly quantized and manicured music is totally different than what most of us grew up on, and the trend too reliant on computers and kind of gimickee... Fauxial media sucks, and that mechanized and hyper technical stuff doesn't inspire me. But different musicians appeal to different people, and a guy like Henson, as annoying as he might be, is still a talented guitarist, musician and composer even if he can't solo like a seasoned bluesman. It's just a different skill set IMO.
 
Bad Brain said:
I listened to the video and I agree with most of what the guy is saying. But I got a slightly different take... Yes, overly quantized and manicured music is totally different than what most of us grew up on, and the trend too reliant on computers and kind of gimickee... Fauxial media sucks, and that mechanized and hyper technical stuff doesn't inspire me. But different musicians appeal to different people, and a guy like Henson, as annoying as he might be, is still a talented guitarist, musician and composer even if he can't solo like a seasoned bluesman. It's just a different skill set IMO.
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That's a fair take, insofar as just that piece.

But i think it's a part of a greater whole that is a whole lot darker and more insidious.

The problem isn't that the modern music is mechanized and hyper technical, it's that most of these dudes literally can't play the shit.
 
DanTravis62 said:
That's a fair take, insofar as just that piece.

But i think it's a part of a greater whole that is a whole lot darker and more insidious.

The problem isn't that the modern music is mechanized and hyper technical, it's that most of these dudes literally can't play the shit.
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Reminds me of that youtube video someone posted a few weeks ago that was pieced together on a crazy level.
He was making music, but he wasn't playing music.
 
I think people also filter out all the crap that was around in the past and remember the good stuff. I’m often guilty of it.

That said, it’s hard to watch some of the over all lack of skill of these guys. I get they do their thing awesomely, but they aren’t all around great like Paul Gilbert was for example. When he came out it would have been polarising, but then the dude could also play 8000 pop and rock songs off the top of his head. A real musician.
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
Reminds me of that youtube video someone posted a few weeks ago that was pieced together on a crazy level.
He was making music, but he wasn't playing music.
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Back when the world wasn't upside down, you pieced things together in different situations, like I mentioned in my post earlier.

Now the piecing together ITSELF is the talent, honestly.

Eazy-ESP said:
I think people also filter out all the crap that was around in the past and remember the good stuff. I’m often guilty of it.

That said, it’s hard to watch some of the over all lack of skill of these guys. I get they do their thing awesomely, but they aren’t all around great like Paul Gilbert was for example. When he came out it would have been polarising, but then the dude could also play 8000 pop and rock songs off the top of his head. A real musician.
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There's a handful of new, monster players, that deserve the shine they get.

But when it comes down to brass tacks/nut cutting, the number of "monster players" who are creations of editing or fraud like Giacomo or Lucas Mann COULDN'T even exist back in the day - the guitar communitys "social contract" prevented it.

It sucks. And not just for us, I mean it sucks MORE for the new younger guys that have to compete with literal perfection or fraud.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Back when the world wasn't upside down, you pieced things together in different situations, like I mentioned in my post earlier.

Now the piecing together ITSELF is the talent, honestly.



There's a handful of new, monster players, that deserve the shine they get.

But when it comes down to brass tacks/nut cutting, the number of "monster players" who are creations of editing or fraud like Giacomo or Lucas Mann COULDN'T even exist back in the day - the guitar communitys "social contract" prevented it.

It sucks. And not just for us, I mean it sucks MORE for the new younger guys that have to compete with literal perfection or fraud.
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To be honest I’ve lost touch. My YouTube feed used to be filled with guitarists. Was so exciting finding guys like Greg Howe, or watching a Ron Jarzombek video, or whoever. Now I just watch car videos while I noodle. The newer generation have honestly become a little too herd like. Not just old man speak.
 
Eazy-ESP said:
The newer generation have honestly become a little too herd like. Not just old man speak.
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To be fair, the new generation of YouTubers and popular music guitar players is lame; but a lot of the younger cats in the trenches are fighting the good fight still.

Unfortunately, they have to compete with crazy perfect quantized AI superguitar and fraudulent theft shit on social media 🤷
 
DanTravis62 said:
To be fair, the new generation of YouTubers and popular music guitar players is lame; but a lot of the younger cats in the trenches are fighting the good fight still.

Unfortunately, they have to compete with crazy perfect quantized AI superguitar and fraudulent theft shit on social media 🤷
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Agreed. I actually LISTEN to more new music than I ever have. But the YouTube guitarist world is horrible.

I realised the other day what makes me turned off. The huge amount of guitarist demo guys that have the main aspiration to become a professional demo guy. Like that is the goal, not the fall back when the music doesn’t go anywhere.
 
Eazy-ESP said:
Agreed. I actually LISTEN to more new music than I ever have. But the YouTube guitarist world is horrible.

I realised the other day what makes me turned off. The huge amount of guitarist demo guys that have the main aspiration to become a professional demo guy. Like that is the goal, not the fall back when the music doesn’t go anywhere.
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I think that's part of what the actual music people are competing against - the time lots of people WOULD have listened to music is spent in the YouTube shill Multiverse.

Not only is everyone competing against supercomputers and fraud, but against the endless "content" machine.
 
Eazy-ESP said:
Agreed. I actually LISTEN to more new music than I ever have. But the YouTube guitarist world is horrible.

I realised the other day what makes me turned off. The huge amount of guitarist demo guys that have the main aspiration to become a professional demo guy. Like that is the goal, not the fall back when the music doesn’t go anywhere.
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That's funny because I saw someone on Youtube kinda talking trash in a comment about players on this forum (not the members themselves, but our skills). When I went to their channel and checked it out it was all high end gear clips and meh playing. They weren't terrible, but they had no flow. I guess a quarter million dollars in gear really doesn't make you a better player. Who knew?
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
That's funny because I saw someone on Youtube kinda talking trash in a comment about players on this forum (not the members themselves, but our skills). When I went to their channel and checked it out it was all high end gear clips and meh playing. They weren't terrible, but they had no flow. I guess a quarter million dollars in gear really doesn't make you a better player. Who knew?
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I'm not amazing or anything but there are a ton of monster players on RT
 
DanTravis62 said:
I'm not amazing or anything but there are a ton of monster players on RT
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You're pretty on the ball, Dan! And def part of great ones here.
Wasn't trying to imply that I was amazing if that's how it came off.
Just that if people are going to talk like that about others, they should probably be in the top 10% and not the bottom 10%, is all. 🤷‍♀️
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
That's funny because I saw someone on Youtube kinda talking trash in a comment about players on this forum (not the members themselves, but our skills). When I went to their channel and checked it out it was all high end gear clips and meh playing. They weren't terrible, but they had no flow. I guess a quarter million dollars in gear really doesn't make you a better player. Who knew?
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What? I thought that was the missing piece to my playing? Money and gear.
 
Eazy-ESP said:
What? I thought that was the missing piece to my playing? Money and gear.
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It is. Just ask youtube. :ROFLMAO:

Full disclosure; I have a lot of guitars and other instruments. So, a bit hypocritical on my part, but honestly it inspires me to play more. Not really going to shill any of them, but def would recommend some over others depending on what the person is after if I have enough experience to give quality input.
 
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