ICE, ICE, baby

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Floyd Eye said:
What isn't a fallacy is the effect unfettered, unvetted illegal immigration is having on the country.

Comparing licensed plumbers or whatever to foreigners who snuck into the country illegally is absurd brother.
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I’m only comparing them in the sense that that are both civic offenders, which is both accurate and pertinent to the conversation.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Civic offenders ? Illegally entering a country isn't a civic offense.

What do you think happens to people who illegally enter Mexico ?
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The Mexican government is not the us government. Lets keep the goalposts in one spot.

Deportation, which is the root goal of ICE is a civil matter, 100%
Illegal entry I believe is a misdemeanor. So again, take other civil offenses or misdemeanors, and imagine a non uniformed swat team enforcing them.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I didnt say it wasn’t a crime. I said what crime it was, and compared it to other similar crimes to highlight the absurdity and imbalance of how it is being radicalized compared to mentioned similar crimes.

but by all means, don’t let me keep you from seeking solace in more fallacies
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You literally equated it to a civic offense and followed that up with sorta. There are no fallacies. You just like to argue and avoid addressing reality.

Dan Gleesak said:
The Mexican government is not the us government. Lets keep the goalposts in one spot.

Deportation, which is the root goal of ICE is a civil matter, 100%
Illegal entry I believe is a misdemeanor. So again, take other civil offenses or misdemeanors, and imagine a non uniformed swat team enforcing them.
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Reading comprehension, much?

  • “Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.
  • “Illegal Re-Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1326 makes it a crime to unlawfully reenter, attempt to unlawfully reenter, or to be found in the United States after having been deported, ordered removed, or denied admission. This crime is punishable as a felony with a maximum sentence of two years in prison. Higher penalties apply if the person was previously removed after having been convicted of certain crimes: up to 10 years for a single felony conviction (other than an aggravated felony conviction) or three misdemeanor convictions involving drugs or crimes against a person, and up to 20 years for an aggravated felony conviction.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
The Mexican government is not the us government. Lets keep the goalposts in one spot.

Deportation, which is the root goal of ICE is a civil matter, 100%
Illegal entry I believe is a misdemeanor. So again, take other civil offenses or misdemeanors, and imagine a non uniformed swat team enforcing them.
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Come on that's bullshit and you know it. No other country on the planet considers people breaking into their country as a civil matter. The fact that they are foreigners means it isn't domestic law enforcement. You're simply speciously using semantics to try to bolster your argument.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Come on that's bullshit and you know it. No other country on the planet considers people breaking into their country as a civil matter. The fact that they are foreigners means it isn't domestic law enforcement. You're simply speciously using semantics to try to bolster your argument.
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I am not using semantics, I am using the law as it is written and not relying on insecure biases to form my own interpretations of it
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
You literally equated it to a civic offense and followed that up with sorta. There are no fallacies. You just like to argue and avoid addressing reality.



Reading comprehension, much?

  • “Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.
  • “Illegal Re-Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1326 makes it a crime to unlawfully reenter, attempt to unlawfully reenter, or to be found in the United States after having been deported, ordered removed, or denied admission. This crime is punishable as a felony with a maximum sentence of two years in prison. Higher penalties apply if the person was previously removed after having been convicted of certain crimes: up to 10 years for a single felony conviction (other than an aggravated felony conviction) or three misdemeanor convictions involving drugs or crimes against a person, and up to 20 years for an aggravated felony conviction.
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None of that disagrees with what I have posted
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I am not using semantics, I am using the law as it is written and not relying on insecure biases to form my own interpretations of it
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You are using your interpretation of the law, not DSH, DOJ or ICE's. Guess who's interpretation matters ?

Expect more Dan. It's a sanctuary city. My state was sued by the Biden DOJ for passing a law barring state officials from cooperating with feds to enforce unconstitutional gun laws. I'm still shocked sanctuary cities and states haven't been sued en masse. No matter, ICE is coming and the feds aren't going to be giving you guys any money soon.
 
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Floyd Eye said:
You are using your interpretation of the law, not DSH, DOJ or ICE's. Guess who's interpretation matters ?

Expect more Dan. It's a sanctuary city. My state was sued by the Biden DOJ for passing a law barring state officials from cooperating with feds to enforce unconstitutional gun laws. I'm still shocked sanctuary cities and states haven't been sued en masse. No matter, ICE is coming and the feds aren't going to be giving you guys any money soon.
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I’m not interpreting anything. I am quoting it as it stands. It says in black and white that it is a misdemeanor, and what its ramifications are. No amount of tap dancing will allow you to ignore that in good faith.

Deportation is a civil matter. Just accept that bro. Local police do not deport people.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I said illegal entry was a misdemeanor. You said I was wrong and posted something that literally said it was a misdemeanor lol
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You've said numerous times "civic issue". In case it wasn't apparent to you, a misdemeanor is a crime and a the second offense is considered a felony. The only person here uniformed about immigration laws is you. Maybe I was wrong and you actually are a moron.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I’m not interpreting anything. I am quoting it as it stands. It says in black and white that it is a misdemeanor, and what its ramifications are. No amount of tap dancing will allow you to ignore that in good faith.

Deportation is a civil matter. Just accept that bro. Local police do not deport people.
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Local police also don't investigate and arrest foreign spies or any number of cases and offences. That doesn't make it a civil matter. The fact that no citizens are involved means the opposite I think.

At any rate, feds gonna fed. Nothing you can do about it.
 
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower said:
You've said numerous times "civic issue". In case it wasn't apparent to you, a misdemeanor is a crime and a the second offense is considered a felony. The only person here uniformed about immigration laws is you. Maybe I was wrong and you actually are a moron.
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Deportation is a civil issue.
Illegal entry and deportation are two separate things in the clearly written eyes of the law.

ICE deports people. That is their purpose and they are carrying out a civil punishment. This is a thread about ICE
 
Dan Gleesak said:
Deportation is a civil issue.
Illegal entry and deportation are two separate things in the clearly written eyes of the law.

ICE deports people. That is their purpose and they are carrying out a civil punishment. This is a thread about ICE
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Maybe the first offense. You have knowledge of the legal status or criminal records of the people in the house in your example ?
 
Floyd Eye said:
Local police also don't investigate and arrest foreign spies or any number of cases and offences. That doesn't make it a civil matter. The fact that no citizens are involved means the opposite I think.

At any rate, feds gonna fed. Nothing you can do about it.
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The law makes it a civil matter. It’s cut and dry.

And if you think plain clothed, well armed militias are how you think the feds should handle their business, I am willing to agree to disagree.

I am just surprised how many people are butthurt about police not overstepping their bounds
 
Floyd Eye said:
Maybe the first offense. You have knowledge of the legal status or criminal records of the people in the house in your example ?
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Not all of them, no. But again, you will see if you chose to read the article posted, deportation is not in it. Why? Because it is a civil matter.
ICE is not detaining people for a trial
 
Dan, if any of the shit you are supposing was true, there wouldn't be "ICE raids", yet there are. So clearly it's not "The law as it was written" or "Cut and Dry".

And the reason people aren't butthurt about "Police ( they are not police) overstepping their bounds is because most of the people in the US want illegal aliens deported immediately.

By Thumbpicker's definition it's simply democracy in action.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
Deportation is a civil issue.
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The act of entering the country unlawfully itself is a crime. Most deportations are taken up in civil court. One does not preclude the other, and the second time it happens it is a felony and will not be going through a civil court. I'm sure all of your virtue signalling makes you feel great, and I only hope that none of the bs that you've been defending over time ever becomes a direct issue for you. Until that point, if ever, please continue to live with your head in the sand.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Dan, if any of the shit you are supposing was true, there wouldn't be "ICE raids", yet there are. So clearly it's not "The law as it was written" or "Cut and Dry".

And the reason people aren't butthurt about "Police ( they are not police) overstepping their bounds is because most of the people in the US want illegal aliens deported immediately.

By Thumbpicker's definition it's simply democracy in action.
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I meant local police not getting involved is them not overstepping their bounds. It’s not their battle so they are staying out of it. If due process decided these people should be arrested and not deported, then yes PD would be involved. But that is not what is happening here.

You can pick and choose my words and put them out of place all you want, but it doesn’t change that what I am posting is objectively true.
oddly enough, the only thing you aren’t debating is the only thing that is actually my opinion, and that is they way they look and the way they go about it is embarrassing to me as an American
 
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